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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Here is another 'key' from John:John 8:28So Jesus told them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I AM, and that I do nothing on my own authority. Instead, I speak only what the Father has taught me. John wrote the gospel of John because the corruption that was already advancing needed to be shown the truth of the…[Read more]

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    Two or three or four or thousands can be one in the corporate sense. That doesn't make them a corporation. Corporate has more than one meaning.cor·po·rate Show IPAadjective1.of, for, or belonging to a corporation or corporations: a corporate executive; She considers the new federal subsidy just corporate welfare.2.forming a c…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2012,16:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 18 2012,11:39)A sidenote in regards to your other post:Those 'faithful followers' are from the world.  :;):John 17:16 They do not belong to the world just as I do not belong to the world.They are/were still IN the WORLD.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Mike,I am quite aware that you cannot make this confession:Because I inform you of this: there is no man who speaks by The Spirit of God and says, “Yeshua is damned”, neither can a man say, “Yeshua is THE LORD JEHOVAH”, except by The Spirit of Holiness.Also, regarding King Neb…obviously he is just the king of kings (in his day) not the King of…[Read more]

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    Bo,It only shows that there is God the Father AND God the Son. There is plenty of proof that Jesus is God too.

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    Acts 2:32 God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Jesus is either Lord and thus Lord of lords and thus LORD (YHWH)Or He is just one of the lords (small 'l') that YHWH is Lord of.Christians confess that Jesus is Lord and thus Lord of lords and thus LORD (YHWH).Romans 10:9New International Version (©1984)That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ Dec. 18 2012,03:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,05:19)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 11 2012,23:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2012,11:15)You say He is Lord.I say He is LORD!LORD as in Jehovah, the Son.You can't say that Jesus is LORD as in Jehovah, the Son.Scripture says he is Lord.And you deny that he is Lord.What does scripture say about…[Read more]

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    Here Bo,This is a comment on Prov 28:18This is a proverb…a probability. It is not a teaching about how he is saved eternally. It is a general statement regarding doing good and not evil. When you do good and make wise choices you will enjoy a safe life. If you make perverse choices, you will fall.Gill's Exposition of the Entire BibleWhoso…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ Dec. 17 2012,16:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 17 2012,19:39)t8,The point is, you and your two cohorts cannot confess that Yeshua is the Lord Jehovah. This is a confession of Christians all over the world!How is it that Christians all over the world see this and you three don't?MANY shall say Lord Lord did we not…. And he will say, “I…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    God never gave up the world to satan, although satan would like you to think that.

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    Terrericca,That last post of yours is a perfect example to show you that you are like Job's friends. Job didn't need that kind of help either!You are right, your false accusations cannot help me!! ???

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Hi Charles,I understand that translators have popularly translated Paul as saying that satan is the god of this world but many have doubts and for good reason. We know that God has blinded the eyes of others but for it to be said of satan, we cannot find a reference to him specifically blinding the eyes of men or being called the god of this world…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ Dec. 16 2012,04:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,05:17)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 11 2012,23:38)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2012,11:15)You say He is Lord.I say He is LORD!LORD as in Jehovah, the Son.You can't say that Jesus is LORD as in Jehovah, the Son.How can God make Jesus LORD?Exactly! One has to always exist to be given that name. Hint,…[Read more]

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    Good post jammin!Those who can't confess that Jesus is also 'the God' certainly can't confess that Jesus is Jehovah, the Son, either. Christians all over the world confess these things!Christians all over the world confess that Jesus is God, as in this verse:Heb 1:8 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and…[Read more]

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    Quote (david @ Dec. 15 2012,18:28)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 14 2012,17:06)1 man + 1 woman = 1 flesh.That is 1 + 1 = 1In your view, that must be 2, not 1. You go argue with God about it, not me. Mike,Marlin corrected me because He knows that to be God, one cannot have a beginning, in which I agree and I don't think Jesus had a beginning. What He…[Read more]

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    Marty,Believers are one flock…the Father and the Son are united as shepherds of the flock. The flock is not made up of the Father and the Son and the believers. What the believer's are one as (the flock) is different than what the Father and Son are one as (the shepherds). Yet, both groups are one (unity) and hence, one group is one as the other…[Read more]

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    Mike,Jesus humanity was brought to life by the Father and because Jesus, as the God/Man Messiah was brought to life, others can live eternally if they depend on Jesus.

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    Pierre,The fact that you keep writing 'his' for 'is' shows me that truth doesn't seem to be important to you.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 5 months ago

    Pierre, As a man, Jesus was given the words to say and the vision of what to do by His Heavenly Father.While He pre-existed being a man, He was the YHWH that was seen and spoke as YHWH.

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