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    Bo,You asked:Quote So if God the Father didn't die then He would be the ONLY EVERLIVING GOD, right? Only the GOD that has never had beginning or end is the TRUE GOD, right?Is this why Jesus Christ called THE FATHER, THE ONLY TRUE GOD?Hello! When Jesus called the Father the only true God, Jesus had yet to die, so no I don't think that is why He…[Read more]

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    Glad you liked it, Mike! I hope you had a nice Christmas!!

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    Bo, First of all, God the Father did not die. God the Son who became man died for a moment to fulfill prophecy and pay the price for sin. He lives as the God/Man today. He could not have died if He didn't become man. There was a divine purpose for God the Son to offer Himself up for us…a mere man could not have paid the price!

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    Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 08 2012,21:20)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8x_KW90tx8Powerful music videoMerry Christmas Heaven Net members! Enjoy the video…suitable for the day we remember the Lord's birth as our Emmanuel!! :)

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    Bo,Jesus died for a divine purpose. So, yes, He can be divine and become a man also so that He could die and live again as the God/Man.

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2012,19:45)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,13:16)So, if Jesus made Himself out to be a god…who is He making Himself out to be a god of, Mike?Nobody, Kathi.  Actually, Jesus was simply claiming the truth – that he was the only begotten Son of God.  The rest of it was inplied by the Jews, who most likely figured that t…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2012,18:24)Kathi,Do you agree with the Trinitarian's claim that being “one” with God means Jesus is a second PERSON in the one BEING of God Almighty?  Do you agree with the Oneness claim that it means Jesus actually IS the Father God?Their use of one 'being' is to be understood of in the corporate sense, Mike.Much like…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ Dec. 19 2012,18:11)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 14 2012,14:24)I've offered the fact that Jesus prays for the disciples also to be “one”.  Surely that doesn't mean the disciples will become some “Echad Unity Disciplehead”, right?  Instead, Jesus prays to his God for the disciples to become “one in purpose”, IMO.I don't know of any B…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2012,18:11)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 12 2012,09:54)Quote But for us sane people, it means “one in purpose”.The oneness that Jesus speaks of gets Him accused of blasphemy and eventually crucified because He is making Himself out to be God.John 10 30“I and the Father are one.” 31The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ Dec. 19 2012,18:08)This is what happens Mike when people start to babble. They create doctrines that belong to Babylon. Their fruit is confusion.Sorry t8, but that seems so arrogant coming from one that I have clearly corrected on many points of confusion regarding scriptures as well as false statements about me.

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    Quote (t8 @ Dec. 19 2012,18:12)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 11 2012,19:38)Jesus said, “I and the Father are one.”Would Jesus lie? No. I agree with Jesus.And Jesus never lied when he said we can be one too.How convenient to forget that he said that too.We can be 'one' as believers. They are 'one' as who the believers believe in. The Father and the Son…[Read more]

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    Quote (t8 @ Dec. 19 2012,18:18)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 13 2012,05:54)Quote But for us sane people, it means “one in purpose”.The oneness that Jesus speaks of gets Him accused of blasphemy and eventually crucified because He is making Himself out to be God.John 10 30“I and the Father are one.” 31The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. 32J…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2012,20:36)Quote (t8 @ Dec. 19 2012,17:11)I don't know of any Binatarians, Trinitarians, and Quadrinitarians that talk about that oneness. They prefer to keep it to the Father and Jesus, that way it fits nicely with their doctrines.I'm not sure if Kathi forgot about this thread, but I'm still waiting for the scriptures…[Read more]

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    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 17 2012,19:49)So then, TWO completely separate Almighty Gods, who “unite”, or “combine” into ONE God?Which one?  “Unite”?  Or “Combine”?  And after the uniting or combining, are we still left with TWO Almighty Gods?  Or do they unite/combine into ONE being?Also, there are many posts awaiting responses from you – if you…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 19 2012,18:58)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 19 2012,11:12)Here is another 'key' from John:John 8:28So Jesus told them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I AM, and that I do nothing on my own authority. Instead, I speak only what the Father has taught me. John wrote the gospel of John because the…[Read more]

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    God can become flesh and be both God and man at the same time. Man can die. Man can be hungry.A royal prince can spend time in a foreign land and live as a pauper and would be both a royal prince and a pauper at the same time. The royal blood doesn't leave the prince if he chooses to live in a foreign land as a pauper, does it? When God the Son…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (2besee @ Dec. 20 2012,08:02)T, we will be judged for every word that we say against another believer in God and his son. Careful.Very true!! :blues:

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (t8 @ Dec. 20 2012,05:34)And the reason this was ever brought up was to prove that theos and elohim can apply to others besides YHWH. Whereas Trinitarians and Binitarians say that only the Father and Jesus, and/or the Spirit are God. If Satan is the theos of this world, then that casts doubt on Jesus being YHWH by reason of being called…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 4 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 19 2012,20:20)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 18 2012,17:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 18 2012,16:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Dec. 18 2012,11:39)A sidenote in regards to your other post:Those 'faithful followers' are from the world.  :;):John 17:16 They do not belong to the world just as I do not belong to the world.They are/were still IN…[Read more]

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