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Lightenup replied to the topic The divider of Christians in the forum Truth or Tradition 13 years, 3 months ago
Quote So the dog(nature) Spot(identity) begets the dog(nature) Rover(identity).Is Rover less Dog than Spot? That is as easy as I can make it Mike. Can't help you see it more than that. Yes Keith, that is pretty easy to understand! Nice one!!
Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 13 years, 3 months ago
Keith…touche'!Very well put

Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 3 months ago
Bo,He did appear to a non-believing Jew…Paul.
Lightenup replied to the topic Compound unity scriptural database in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 3 months ago
Numbers 21:2And Israel vowed a vow to the LORD and said, “If you will indeed give this people into my hand, then I will devote their cities to destruction.”Here a compound unity called “Israel” uses singular pronouns such as 'my' and 'I.'
Lightenup replied to the topic In the Beginning in the forum Scriptural Teachings 13 years, 3 months ago
So, Mike, when you say all other things were created through Jesus, then you must admit that all other things were not directly created by the Father. Do you see that?
Lightenup replied to the topic In the Beginning in the forum Scriptural Teachings 13 years, 3 months ago
Mike,Didn't you say that the Father only directly created one thing?
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 3 months ago
Bo,you asked:Quote I guess you missed my point, If I told you I was a prophet how would you know it was true unless a prophecy of mine came true during my life and more explicitly during your life if the prophecy was told to you?If you only declared one prophecy and didn't declare it to happen in yours or my lifetime, then I wouldn't know but that…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic In the Beginning in the forum Scriptural Teachings 13 years, 3 months ago
Hi 2besee,What Mike said in the above post on the top of this page, ultimately amounts to saying that Jesus directly created all things and the Father indirectly created all things. Mike thinks that Jesus is the only thing that the Father directly created even though the Bible says that Jesus is the only 'begotten' (not created) Son, not the only…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 3 months ago
Hi Bo,you asked:Quote 450 years before the fact would be a prophecy not fulfilled in a life time which is usually the measurement of prophetic success in general. For instance explained here:Deuteronomy 18:22If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Is observing christmas and easter ok? in the forum Truth or Tradition 13 years, 3 months ago
I came across this to show support for the Dec. 25th date for the birth of Christ:Another View: Maybe Christ was born on DEC 25th afterall!By John Eidsmoe and Ben DuPréThe secularizers commonly defend the de-Christianization of Christmas by noting that America is a much more diverse nation than we used to be, that we shouldn't offend others, that…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 3 months ago
Hi Bo,You will see in this Targum of the Psalms translation that v. 3 speaks of the beauty of 'King Messiah' in Psalm 45, and therefore shows that the Rabbi's applied this passage to be about the Messiah. The dating of the Targum of the Psalms is uncertain.Psalm 451. For praise; concerning those who sit in the Sanhedrin of Moses, which wa…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic The Jews and divine plurality as per the videos in the forum Group Discussions 13 years, 3 months ago
Page 22-25 of the notes for the first video from this link:http://www.gracebellingham.org/index.p….emid=41Two Focus Points for Rest of Session:*Yahweh was in command of other elohim; He was superior and unique.*”Sonship” language (e.g., sons of God) was rightly applied to divine beings, not only humans, without threatening monotheism.Psalm 821…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 3 months ago
Hi Bo,you asked:Quote Psalm 45:5-7New International Version (NIV)5 Let your sharp arrows pierce the hearts of the king’s enemies; let the nations fall beneath your feet.6 Your throne, O God,will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your G…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 3 months ago
Bo,Quote I guess what I meant was where do you find the conyext in which you are using it such as saying “God the Father and God the Son”Many of the verses you listed are not saying what you think it is saying especially when you see a comma. What difference does the comma make between:God the Father and God, the Father??NONE!!As to your other…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 3 months ago
Bo,Is our one Lord Jesus Christ called God by the Father in this passage:Heb 1:8But about the Son he says,“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;therefore God, your God, has set you above your companionsby anointing you with the oil of joy.”f
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 3 months ago
Hi Bo,You asked:Quote Actually Jesus didn't seperate or confuse the idea that God orthe Father were different ideas so he simply said”God” where do you read in the bible anywhere the phrase “God the Father” just interestedThese are just some of the many for you to look at:1 Cor 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Comics, cartoons, jokes and funny stories in the forum Chatroom 13 years, 3 months ago
ROFL
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 3 months ago
John 10:36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?Apparently Jesus was making the point that it would be blasphemy to be saying that He was God-the Father, but not blasphemy to be implying that He is God the Son since in scrip…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 3 months ago
Good morning Bo,you said:Quote Jesus was sent by the ONLY TRUE GOD therefore the ONLY TRUE GOD could not send “THE ONLY TRUE GOD” as that would be HIM doing the sending.Jesus was the only true God's very own, only begotten Son. A point that you have not accepted. This very own, only begotten Son of the only true God is called 'God' by this only…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 13 years, 4 months ago
Hi Bo,You asked:Quote Can you tell me what was Jesus actually trying to accomplish acknowledging that the God he was praying to was the ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD?For reference:John 16:29 Then Jesus’ disciples said, “Now you are speaking clearly and without figures of speech. 30Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to…[Read more]
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