Mike,

I just read this post of yours:

LU: The book of John claims that Jesus was _______…
Mike: A god who was with THE God in the beginning.

LU:  The book of Hebrews claims that Jesus was _______…
Mike: A god whose own God set him above his peers.

Mike, in your understanding, is Jesus a god whose name you can invoke, a god whom you bow down t…[Read more]

Adam,

A more personal question for you today:

Do you believe in a god/God who created heaven and earth? If so what is his/her name/names?

Hi Adam,

“… the kindness towards humanity is the most true religion in this world.”

Adam, those are good words. They remind me of this passage:

1 Cor 13

1If I speak with the tongues of mankind and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and know all myste…[Read more]

Hi Danny,

Nice to hear from you again. I believe that verse in Isaiah 45:5 is saying that all other so called ‘gods’ are not gods at all compared to Yahweh. All “so called gods” are in a different category than Yahweh. Jesus is however in the same category as Yahweh who created the heavens and the earth. Yahweh is both God and Lord. We are told…[Read more]

Thanks for your reply Proclaimer and Berean.

Berean, I get the impression that you agree with everything in the OP and could stand with me and confess all of that in the midst of that congregation that I was in on Easter Sunday.

Proclaimer, I get the impression that your agreement ends with statement #1.

Proclaimer, do you go so far as to…[Read more]

Here are some verses to consider on this topic:

Exodus 23:13
Pay close attention to everything I have said to you. You must not invoke the names of other gods; they must not be heard on your lips.

Joshua 23:7
So you are not to associate with these nations that remain among you. You must not call on the names of their gods or swear by them, and…[Read more]

Mike,

I’m around a lot of people building homes near me and there are all sorts of builders. Some people are using an independent builder and some people are using a building company. In either case, it is completely understood that many people were involved in the building of the home, not just the contractor.

If a private opening was given for…[Read more]

Berean,

You asked if the Bible says “eternally begotten.” The Bible calls Jesus the Firstborn of all creation and then goes on to say that all things in heaven and on earth were made by him (Jesus). Therefore, he was born before anything in heaven and on earth was made, everything visible and invisible.

Col 1:15 The Son is the image of the…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Eternally begotten means “begotten before the ages” as opposed to begotten in time. Before the ages would be during eternity before the first day was established. That is how I understand it.

Before the first day was established here:

Gen 1

5God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.”

And there was evening…[Read more]

Am I the only one here that believes all those statements in the OP? If you don’t believe all of them, which ones do you believe? They are numbered so that you can just list the number of the statement/statements that you do believe in. Also, which numbered statement/statements do you not believe in?

Blessings, LU

Proclaimer:

You said:

Your not building a house. You are buying one.

Wouldn’t you need more information in order to say that?

What if the person buying the house is the lead designer of the home building firm that is physically putting the house together, who (lead designer) not only bought the land, had the vision, drew the plans from their own…[Read more]

Proclaimer:

You said;

Then if you read it as theos as in nature not identity, then I agree.

Ok, that’s something anyway. I’m sure that you can see that the only begotten theos would not be the same person as the only unbegotten theos, correct?

Can you agree that the only true theos would be the only unbegotten theos?

Can you agree that the only…[Read more]

The “He” is the Father. The Father made the world through his Son.Sorta like I am building a house through so and so the house builder.

Mike,

Hebrews 1:1-2…  On many past occasions… God spoke to our fathers through the prophets, but in these last days He has spoken to us through His Son… through whom He also made the world.

As I read that, the verse identifies the Son as the one through whom the Father made the world. That clearly identifies the Son as making the world under…[Read more]

Mike,

Thanks for the verses. You asked “Are you suggesting that the Unity of the Father, Son, and Spirit is our “Father”?

I’m suggesting that the Unity of the Father, Son and Spirit contains our “Father” as well as His Son and Their Spirit. The Father is the head of the Unity. Those verses are emphasizing the Father. One verse mentions the wor…[Read more]

Mike,

You said:

Many scriptures identify “the Father” as our Creator.  Are you suggesting that the Unity of the Father, Son, and Spirit is our “Father”?

Can you put up a specific verse or a couple of them that say “Father” specifically.

@Proclaimer

Did you address this question, If not here it is again.

Proclaimer, you said: Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Do you agree that this is just as true according to the NASV1995:

Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and the only begotten…[Read more]

Hi Adam, did you answer my last question to you? If so, would you mind showing me your response? Thanks.

Here was my post to you:

It is refreshing that you also see that the NT is declaring Jesus as a “Co-person with God in all activities starting from the first creation and ending with new creation mainly based on the NT”, as you say.
Would you…[Read more]

Mike,

This is what I said:

I believe that the Father gives the vision and the Son does what He has seen in the vision. The Son formed man. All things are made by the only begotten God, apart from the only begotten God, nothing has been made that has been made. John 1:3, even the heavens and the earth ;).

The Father gives the vision, the Son tur…[Read more]