Can you say this t8:Jesus is our God with God and they are one??I can't say the same for judges, angels, satan and earthquakes because I don't believe any of them are MY God.

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 10 2013,18:00)Quote (t8 @ Feb. 10 2013,17:39)Worship him as theos of theos and son of that theos of theos?I am not confused as you are kathi.I worship him as the son of God and the Lamb of God.He is the Word become flesh. Not God become flesh.I have seen clearly how obstinate people end up being cursed with delusion many…[Read more]

Mike,you said:Quote You can't ask us to prove a negative.Actually I was asking you to show me some proof of what you believe, ya know…that the Son of God, being a Son would be…well here are your words:Quote If Jesus is the SON of God, then God came first.  No father and son have EVER existed from the same point in time.  The father ALWAYS e…[Read more]

t8? Try again.

Jammin hang in there. It's crazy how people can read that Jesus is called God even by the Father yet they can't call Him that themselves. Unity is not something they seem to understand. It takes balls to do what you do! Go Jammin!!How hard is it to say that Jesus is our God with God and they are one??

Forgiven.

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,14:49)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 12 2013,07:54)The Son was the only one to come 'out of' the Father as an offspring before creation.Yet you say he was an offspring forever past if I remember rightly.He eternally comes out of the Father is your stance I think.I just believe he came from the Father. No strings attached. It is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 11 2013,14:46)What you are saying LU is that he didn't die.You can't half die or one-tenth die. That is not death.Nope that is not what I am saying.The shoot died, the root didn't.Have you seen a plant with a dead stem but the plant remained alive? Oh well, ask a gardener.

Mike,Only the 'shoot' part was die-able. Quote That would make him only HALF of a savior.Is the Father only half of a savior since He didn't die, Mike? No, so the Son isn't either because the 'root' part of Him wasn't die-able, only the shoot could suffer and die, and did.

Oh and Wakeup, you asked if the Son was a half brother to us. Well, the Son was the only begotten Son and we are the adopted 'sons.' The Son was the only one to come 'out of' the Father as an offspring before creation. All other things did not come 'out of' the Father. All other things were called into being. The Son was within Him before coming…[Read more]

Hi Wakeup,Are you familiar with the fact that the Son of God is the root and the shoot of Jesse?He is the 'root' because the Father through the Son produced the generations according to His (the Son's) deity.He is the 'shoot' because He became man as an offspring of Jesse and David's line according to the flesh.He didn't stop being the 'root' to…[Read more]

t8,Here is the question again. A simple yes, no, or I don't know will do.Quote Do you worship Him as God of God then?

Quote I think I'm with Princess and t8 on this one: Binity truly has become quite the bore.And we all know what happened next to Princess, don't we-no longer able to post in the believer's section. I do recognize that spirit in you both. I am not here to entertain you.

So where in scriptures does it speak of the Son being conceived before creation? I mean, since all sons are conceived, right?

t8,Thanks for your answer. You said:Quote I can accept that he is God of God or god of God in that case.Do you worship Him as God of God then?

I am guessing that Jesus is called God, with or without the article a dozen times or so. He is also called YHVH and Lord several times.

How do I persecute Muhammad, Bo? How have I rejected the prophet Muhammad? What have I said or done?

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 10 2013,17:39)Worship him as theos of theos and son of that theos of theos?I am not confused as you are kathi.I worship him as the son of God and the Lamb of God.He is the Word become flesh. Not God become flesh.I have seen clearly how obstinate people end up being cursed with delusion many times now.It is very important that we…[Read more]

Mike says:Quote And even IF you INSIST that it refers to Jesus being given YHWH's name, it proves that Jesus didn't ALWAYS HAVE YHWH's name. And that proves that Jesus hasn't ALWAYS BEEN “YHWH the Son”, as you so often claim.Being 'given' the name shows that He is a son and not the Father. What it doesn't show is that He didn't always deserve the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2013,12:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 06 2013,22:27)Mike,Through or by, they both indicate the second power was involved with the first power in creation, so it doesn't really make a difference.You are the one THROUGH WHOM God created your children, Kathi.Does that make you the “second power” of creation?  Does it put you…[Read more]