Mike,you said:Quote So then, even though the words “Satan is not God” are nowhere to be found in the scriptures, we can still KNOW that he is not God from the scripture you quoted, because it lists Satan as someone OTHER THAN God, right? Aren't you the one that wanted to convince me that satan was the god of Ekron?? Do you like playing two sides…[Read more]

Jack,your response to Mike:Quote Like I said Mike, no one has been able to refute it. The word “elohim” has such a wide variety of meaning that we could say that God is also Gods.He just did refute you with this passage:Mark 12:28One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What c…[Read more]

t8,you said:Quote But don't pretend that I have not answered the question. I have answered it clearly and precisely. And this is not the first time either.Where was the other time that you have said 'no' regarding 'worshipping Jesus as your God from God?'This question will not go away. If you think that I am pushy, you haven't seen anything yet. I…[Read more]

Jack,you said:Quote The difference between Kathi and myself is that she believes that Jesus was literally begotten and therefore had a beginning, while I believe that that the was not a time that Jesus was not.I believe that Jesus was literally begotten/born before creation but existed eternally beforehand within the Father. So there is no time…[Read more]

Hi Jack, I believe that the NT quotes the OT 'elohim' in regards to the elohim of Israel, as singular, that is why I don't think that you can make that argument.

No problem Ted, you didn't know. Have a great day!

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2013,02:15)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 14 2013,21:10)Jesus is the only begotten God of God.My Bible says, he is the son of God.I will stick with that. Thanks Kathi, but no thanks.When people say no, then that usually means no, they don't want what you are offering.Lol. That was a campaign here in NZ a while back.Obviously we have…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 14 2013,19:25)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 14 2013,01:02)That which pre-existed of the Son came from within the Father. Is there a scripture that says Jesus came “from within” the Father?Also, this doesn't address my point.  Of course Jesus was conceived of Mary.  What I'm asking is if you believe he was ever CONCEIVED before h…[Read more]

Mike,You have already been kicked out of Christian message boards, haven't you? What does that tell you? Fortunately for you, you found a board where two people agree with your Arian ideas.

t8,Quote It makes me think of those second century fathers who often had debates. I don't think they debated the same stuff over and over till they died. I think once they put someone to flight, they moved on to other things.The thing about that is, you would have been the one put to flight! I happen to agree with the majority of second century…[Read more]

Quote If Jesus is theos, it is because he is theos in the same way that angels and judges were. Either by nature or by godly authority.You need more than a lawyer if that is what you think. Jesus came out of God, the angels and men didn't. Big difference.

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 13 2013,20:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 13 2013,17:28)They are one…not one God…one as in unity and we can be one in unity also. They are one in unity as a Godhead and we can be one in unity as the church.Nice dodge, but some men are clearly called theos and we are invited by Jesus no less, to be one with him, his Father, and…[Read more]

Hi Ted,Please don't take this personally but this particular thread is a one on one conversation between Bo and myself. Your post will be deleted most likely because of that and to not cause confusion. Maybe you can copy and paste your questions in another topic that is open to all in this regards. Bo is involved in quite a few threads. Thanks…[Read more]

Ok, Ted, I hope my posts only help you find truth. If I remember right, I have read the Gospel of Thomas and didn't think much of it because of how it talked about women. It didn't sound like the spirit of Jesus. Maybe I'm thinking about something else. Anyway, I'm glad you are back. I hope your time is fruitful.

This isn't even a hard question:Can and do you worship Jesus as your God who is from God?

Here, t8, this is what God is offering, will you reject that too:John 1:18New American Standard Bible (©1995)No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Here's an idea about that:It would be comical to have the moderators of the forum to have to restrict themselves to the 'Heretics' section! Maybe give it a go and see if the rest of us can discuss without being degraded constantly by the insecurity of the moderators. It might be like a breath of fresh air. I wonder how many tiles they would have…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 13 2013,21:05)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 14 2013,15:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 13 2013,19:17)Mike,It is the Son's power that holds all things together. That is the power of God. Col 1I take it that you don't disagree with what I posted about that passage in 1 Corinthians 1?As for Col 1, to which verse do you refer please?1…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 13 2013,20:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 13 2013,19:15)I think that the Son always existed within the Father before He was begotten. “Thinking it”, and “scripturally supporting it” are two very different things, Kathi.  Do you suppose Jesus was never “conceived”?Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 13 2013,19:15)Also, we know from…[Read more]

Quote (theodorej @ Feb. 13 2013,12:44)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 13 2013,14:42)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 12 2013,19:55)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 11 2013,21:08)According to this logic, if Jesus is the Son of God, then Jesus was conceived if He really must be like every other father and son, according to you.Kathi,The act of conception is an ACT.  That…[Read more]