Quote (theodorej @ Nov. 16 2010,15:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Nov. 17 2010,07:24)Ted,What you call 'apparition' the early church father's called a theophany.Theophany: an appearance of God in visible form, temporary and not necessarily material. Such an appearance is to be contrasted with the Incarnation, in which there was a permanent union between…[Read more]

t8,Whose name did the believer's in YHVH do all things in throughout the OT when they were being pleasing to YHVH?Whose name did the apostle's and early church believer's do all things in throughout the NT after the resurrection?Please answer each question.

Quote Wrong. I do accept all he said.Once again, you do not accept that scriptures say that the Son is the god/God. So you do not accept all that is said about who He is.

I do accept that Jesus said 'you are gods' but we differ as to about whom that was said. I believe the divine council of the sons of God were regarding heavenly beings not earthly judges. I showed you Psalms 89 to show you this. The earthly judges were never called elohim.

t8,A big road block to your doctrine that all saints will be called theos is the fact that the Bible does not call all the saints theos. Jesus however is called man and god/God. Saints who are men aren't all called gods in the future. You should stop teaching that partaking of divine nature will make us gods when the Bible doesn't call the saints…[Read more]

t8,The problem is that you do not take ALL that Jesus is said to be, as truth. You have chosen not to believe that Jesus is called the theos in scripture, yet He definitely is called that. So, I don't care to follow your conclusions of scripture since they are not based on all that Jesus is. Churches that claim Jesus is called the theos in…[Read more]

Quote If you believe you are right, use the word “THEY” please. Be consistent.I do.

Quote “Do you not know that you can partake in divine nature”.Do you not know that you can partake in chocolate cake? Does that mean you become a chocolate cake?Since when does 'partake of something' mean you 'become the something' you merely partake of?That is quite a leap!

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 16 2013,16:57)This title is a good one.”The divider of Christians”Look at the fruit of Kathi's doctrine.Woe.And why am I happy to attend Christian churches and you are not if I am the divider. t8, you are the one that has gone against the churches and call them Babylon. That creates quite a division. When was the last time you…[Read more]

This is a post written by someone who would say that I was not wrong, and I can find many from commentaries, early church father's, current web sites, etc. so I say to you t8, I believe that you and your cohorts are the blinded ones, sorry:I have decided to post here a one-page summary of the Bible's teaching that Jesus Christ of the New Testament…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 16 2013,15:20)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 14 2013,17:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 14 2013,15:14)Jesus came out of God, the angels and men didn't.Who did angels and men come from – if not God?I say “from” because I believe the scriptures say Jesus came FROM God, not OUT OF God.I could be mistaken, but I just did an exact search…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 14 2013,17:47)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 14 2013,15:14)Jesus came out of God, the angels and men didn't.Who did angels and men come from – if not God?I say “from” because I believe the scriptures say Jesus came FROM God, not OUT OF God.I could be mistaken, but I just did an exact search for the words “out of God”, and got no…[Read more]

Quote Surely God would have known how these terms would confuse us, if Jesus truly had existed from eternity, right?“He was an entity of the same kind as Himself, within Him and then born/begotten/brought forth from out of Him.”Sons are an entity within the parent of the same kind as the parent and then born/begotten/brought forth out of the parent.

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 14 2013,17:59)Hi Kathi,I am interested to know your thoughts about these points I made yesterday:Surely God knew how we humans would understand the words “son”, “firstborn”, and “only begotten”.  Why do you suppose God would TRICK us by using these words for His own “Son” – if the the standard things that go along with…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2013,01:53)Quote (carmel @ Feb. 15 2013,14:45)Yes you are mistaken,READ!So when scripture says John the Baptist was a man sent FROM God, we can assume that he too came “out of” God the same way Jesus did?The word 'sent' and 'came out of' are two different Greek words.

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2013,22:16)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 15 2013,11:12)t8,The saints of the church and the headship of the church are two different entities within the one church. The saints will never be both the body and the head (theos). The saints will only be the body. The saints will not be theos. Furthermore, you have never proven that men…[Read more]

I enjoyed reading through this old thread this morning.

Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 02 2011,14:05)t8,This is a good topic and I may keep my conversations here for a while so that I am not jumping around trying to keep up with those asking me questions.  I am getting rather busy with planning a bridal shower, starting a new school year and designing a big kitchen for a client…soooo I need to limit my…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 15 2013,18:53)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 15 2013,22:42)Jack,you said:Quote The difference between Kathi and myself is that she believes that Jesus was literally begotten and therefore had a beginning, while I believe that that the was not a time that Jesus was not.I believe that Jesus was literally begotten/born before creation…[Read more]

Hi Kerwin,The Word became flesh. The Root (The Son according to His divinity) through the stump (Jesse's geneology) produced a shoot (the Son became flesh). He remained the Root and also became the Shoot.