Hi abe,Yes, He (Jesus), as the shoot, was in the loins of Abraham in the same manner that any descendant of Abraham was. As the Root, He was not in Abraham's loins.See the geneology from Luke 3:23Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli, 24the son of Matthat, the…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 24 2013,08:45)Mike?Quote #1 is not only lacking common sense, but also lacks a single shred of scriptural support.You, who speak frequently about the pre-existence of Christ now don't believe He existed before conception? No scriptural support you say??Bump for Mike.

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 24 2013,15:29)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 25 2013,03:45)Mike?Quote #1 is not only lacking common sense, but also lacks a single shred of scriptural support.You, who speak frequently about the pre-existence of Christ now don't believe He existed before conception? No scriptural support you say??Kathi.John 8:42 (English NIV)Jesus said…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 24 2013,15:37)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 25 2013,03:47)Mike,Quote #4 makes perfect sense if you understand that Jesus was not only after David, but also before him.It makes perfect sense IF….If it makes perfect common sense, why do Gene, Kerwin, et al debate this constantly with you?Oh, Gene and Kerwin are the authority on…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 25 2013,17:16)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 24 2013,07:50)So, who is saying that the Son is the Father? The Second Power of YHVH is the servant of the First Power of YHVH. No one is saying that the Second Power of YHVH is also the First Power of YHVH.I believe it's only you who even speaks about a first and second power of…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 25 2013,17:52)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 24 2013,07:03)It doesn't make sense with Moses, but IT DOES make sense with Christ ……………..Why Kathi?  Why would it be OBVIOUS that one particular servant of God could not be “God over all”, but not just as obvious that the other servant of God could not be “God over…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 25 2013,17:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 24 2013,07:47)Mike,Quote #4 makes perfect sense if you understand that Jesus was not only after David, but also before him.It makes perfect sense IF….If it makes perfect common sense, why do Gene, Kerwin, et al debate this constantly with you?Gene, Kerwin, et al believe that when…[Read more]

Bo, So can you agree that you are literally a great, great, great… grandson of Adam? Can you agree that you are literally a descendant of Adam?Jesus is literally a great, great, great…grandson of David through blood from Mary and through legal adoption from Joseph.Before Mary, the Son existed as the root of David and not the shoot of David.…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 24 2013,19:18)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 18 2013,00:45)I have been meditating on this topic of Jesus being the root and offspring of David, i.e. the root and the shoot of Jesse, all week and I believe that it demonstrates how someone can be 100% God according to nature (the Root) and 100% Man according to nature (the Shoot) as…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Feb. 24 2013,17:08)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 17 2013,10:45)I have been meditating on this topic of Jesus being the root and offspring of David, i.e. the root and the shoot of Jesse, all week and I believe that it demonstrates how someone can be 100% God according to nature (the Root) and 100% Man according to nature (the Shoot) as Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 24 2013,16:44)LU and all,1 Timothy 6:10King James Version (KJV)10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.andProverbs 12:12King James Version (KJV)12 The wicked desireth the net of evil men: but the root of…[Read more]

Bo, Do you see yourself as a literal son of Adam or a metaphorical son of Adam?

Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 24 2013,11:51)Quote (942767 @ Feb. 24 2013,11:53)Hi:The “YLT” has it this way:Quote Rom 9:3 for I was wishing, I myself, to be anathema from the Christ — for my brethren, my kindred, according to the flesh,   Rom 9:4 who are Israelites, whose the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the lawgiving, and the…[Read more]

Mike,Quote If Romans 9:5 was about Moses instead of Jesus, everybody in the world would understand that the “God over all” was the Father.  They wouldn't even CONSIDER the alternate translation that suggested Moses, the servant OF God, was the “God over all” who was mentioned, right?  This would just be God-given common sense, right?It doesn't m…[Read more]

Mike,Quote #5 is mis-worded. My claim is that the servant OF our ONE and ONLY Almighty God cannot also BE that ONE and ONLY Almighty God.So, who is saying that the Son is the Father? The Second Power of YHVH is the servant of the First Power of YHVH. No one is saying that the Second Power of YHVH is also the First Power of YHVH.

Mike,Quote #4 makes perfect sense if you understand that Jesus was not only after David, but also before him.It makes perfect sense IF….If it makes perfect common sense, why do Gene, Kerwin, et al debate this constantly with you?

Mike?Quote #1 is not only lacking common sense, but also lacks a single shred of scriptural support.You, who speak frequently about the pre-existence of Christ now don't believe He existed before conception? No scriptural support you say??

So, my next question to you in light of my last post is…can you please leave off derogatory comments, humorous or otherwise, and just present your facts because your derogatory comments/humor is not helping me see any thing you say as from God?

Kathi believes what Paul wrote here:Romans 9:5 And the Patriarchs; and from them The Messiah appeared in the flesh, who is The God Who is over all, to Whom are praises and blessings to the eternity of eternities, amen.Christians all over the world boldly proclaim what Paul wrote. Three people on here deny what Paul wrote here and try to twist the…[Read more]

T8, You are blinded to the scriptures that speak of Jesus as God over all. You and your buddies seem to have a common spirit that wants you to boldly say that Jesus is not the mighty God over all.