Hi 4Thomas,you said:Quote There is only one origin that is the Father.If that one origin is the Eternal Father, He must have had the Son eternally within Him, otherwise He would not have been a Father. Do you agree?

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Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 24 2013,20:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 21 2013,21:42)Mike,A child exists before they are begotten/born. A begettal does not indicate a beginning of existence.Kathi, I mentioned before that surely God would have known how we humans would understand the words “son”, “father”, “begotten”, and “firstborn”……. and also what…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 03 2013,22:16)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 04 2013,08:16)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 03 2013,19:13)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 04 2013,01:39)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 01 2013,19:23)LU,Quote I think you are referring to my prince/pauper story.Yes.Quote No one needs authority to ask the Father for something. I was speaking of actually receiving and…[Read more]

Welcome 4Thomas,I hope that your time on HN is enriching as you dig into the Word of God and challenge fellow Bible students and receive challenge from us, and those in the skeptics section as well. I look forward to hearing more of your views. Also, I agree with your stand with the unborn and developing unity in the Body of Christ! God bless…[Read more]

Quote (abe @ Mar. 03 2013,23:06)Quote (Lightenup @ Feb. 25 2013,23:44)Hi abe,Yes, He (Jesus), as the shoot, was in the loins of Abraham in the same manner that any descendant of Abraham was. As the Root, He was not in Abraham's loins.See the geneology from Luke 3:23Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as…[Read more]

Hi Bo,Yes, Jesus is a descendant as a great, great…grandson, not like Solomon who is a direct son. Jesus is the promised descendant of David, promised by YHVH to redeem Israel and known by the Jews as the Son of David.The Son of David is the 'shoot' AND the 'root' of Jesse and David. He is the root by being the second power of YHVH, called the…[Read more]

Mike,The First Power of YHVH sent the Second Power of YHVH.

Isaiah 11:1-10 NASQuote 1Then a shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse, And a branch from his roots will bear fruit.2The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him, The spirit of wisdom and understanding, The spirit of counsel and strength, The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.3And He will delight in the fear of the LORD, And He will not…[Read more]

Isaiah 5:24 NAS24Therefore, as a tongue of fire consumes stubble And dry grass collapses into the flame, So their root will become like rot and their blossom blow away as dust; For they have rejected the law of the LORD of hosts And despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. KJV24Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame…[Read more]

Proverbs 12:12 NAS 12The wicked man desires the booty of evil men, But the root of the righteous yields . KJV12The wicked desireth the net of evil : but the root of the righteous yieldeth .

Proverbs 12:3 NAS3A man will not be established by wickedness, But the root of the righteous will not be moved. KJV3A man shall not be established by wickedness: but the root of the righteous shall not be moved.

Psalm 80:9 NASQuote 1Oh, give ear, Shepherd of Israel, You who lead Joseph like a flock; You who are enthroned the cherubim, shine forth!2Before Ephraim and Benjamin and Manasseh, stir up Your power And come to save us!3O God, restore us And cause Your face to shine , and we will be saved.4O LORD God hosts, How long will You be angry with the…[Read more]

So do you now see that Jesus is a literal descendant/son of David?

Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 03 2013,19:13)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 04 2013,01:39)Quote (kerwin @ Mar. 01 2013,19:23)LU,Quote I think you are referring to my prince/pauper story.Yes.Quote No one needs authority to ask the Father for something. I was speaking of actually receiving and commanding them.Kerwin,I know Jesus, before His resurrection, had some…[Read more]

Job 36:30NAS30“Behold, He spreads His lightning about Him, And He covers the depths of the sea.KJV30Behold, he spreadeth his light upon it, and covereth the bottom of the sea.

Job 30:4NASQuote 1“But now those younger than I mock me, Whose fathers I disdained to put with the dogs of my flock.2“Indeed, what good was the strength of their hands to me? Vigor had perished from them.3“From want and famine they are gaunt Who gnaw the dry ground by night in waste and desolation,4Who pluck mallow by the b…[Read more]

Job 29:19NAS18“Then I thought, ‘I shall die in my nest,         And I shall multiply my days as the sand.19‘My root is spread out to the waters,         And dew lies all night on my branch. KJV18Then I said, I shall die in my nest, and I shall multiply days as the sand.19My root spread out by the waters, and the dew lay all night upon my branch.

Job 28:9NAS9“He puts his hand on the flint;         He overturns the mountains at the base.10“He hews out channels through the rocks,         And his eye sees anything precious.11“He dams up the streams from flowing,         And what is hidden he brings out to the light.KJV9He putteth forth his hand upon the rock; he overturneth the mountains by…[Read more]

Job 19:28NAS28“If you say, ‘How shall we persecute him?’ And ‘What pretext for a case against him can we find?’ KJV28But ye should say, Why persecute we him, seeing the root of the matter is found in me?