Quote (t8 @ Mar. 27 2013,02:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2013,20:04)t8A tree comes into being from a seed, that doesn't mean it's coming into being was a beginning of existence. It just means that it came into being in a different state. It went from within a seed to be apart from the seed. It existed within the seed before it came forth from the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2013,01:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 26 2013,20:47)I never said that Jesus was God the Father too.You are saying that Jesus is the Only true God too and that he sent Jesus because we both know that the only true God sent Jesus. Two problems here. 1) The only true God is the Father, so you are wrong.2) The only true God sent…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 27 2013,17:00)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2013,05:26)Jesus is not an attribute of God, Jesus has the fullness of God in Him.Are you talking to yourself here.I believe Jesus is a being, not part of God as you do.He was begotten by God and even Jesus said, “if God was your Father, you would believe that I came from God”.First you do…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 28 2013,20:34)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2013,10:58)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2013,23:03)The point of my exercise is that ALL of the things said about the Word in John 1 are also said about Jesus in other scriptures.  That isn't the case with “the Most High God” and “the Son of the Most High God”, is it?In some verses…[Read more]

Bo,The Father and Son…two persons giving one direction via their Holy Spirit. Your verse about serving two masters is about two persons each giving different directions. The Son speaks what He hears the Father saying, and He does what He sees the Father doing. They give only one directive, not each giving opposing directives.Quote Jesus is never…[Read more]

Mike,you keep saying this but it is not true for the Hebrew. For the Greek it is true. Hebrew just has feminine and masculine words, no neuter.Quote All words in Hebrew and Greek have either a masculine, feminine or neuter gender, but this does not dictate the sex of one who has a title related to a word that has grammatical gender

Quote (jb2u @ Mar. 27 2013,15:46)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 28 2013,07:28)3. You say that one 'set' of something doesn't have singular personal pronouns to go with it. I disagree completely. The church is a 'she.' Israel is 'my,' 'I,' even in the Shema, Israel is singular and 'hear' is the singular verb with it yet Israel is one as a 'set' as you…[Read more]

Quote Oh Lightenup (please read all of my words)…”the gods that I believe exist” as you say are the same ones that God claims exists.Psalm 82God refers to judges as “gods.”1 Cor 8:5God states “there be gods many, and lords many.”But we are talking about a belief in a trinity. Let's start at Deut 6:4God states “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is…[Read more]

terarricca,Jesus has no beginning of days…He is the eternal life that was with the Father in the beginning.

Kerwin,Jesus is both the Root and the Shoot…God and Man…and is worthy of my worship. Through Him I was created and redeemed from my sin. He sits on the white horse in Revelations and with His own arm and His own righteousness, He wins the final battle.Kerwin, are you to make a covenant to God through another god?

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Mar. 19 2013,23:03)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 18 2013,22:52)I can show you scriptures that speak of YHVH and also scriptures where the exact things are said of Jesus.And I can show you where those things can be, and are, said of others besides Jesus and his God, Jehovah.  But this is not the thread for it.The point of my exercise…[Read more]

1 Cor 12:12 The body is a unit, though it is made up of many parts; and though all its parts are many, they form one body. So it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body-whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free-and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. 15 If…[Read more]

Hmmm…more lies about a member from the disgruntled moderator (which breaks his own rules of the forum that he himself has made but then again, he has no problem breaking the first commandments that God has made, so the problem just carries on).Quote 1) You break an important commandment.2) Best case scenario for those who teach others to break…[Read more]

Joshua 24:19King James BibleAnd Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.According to the Hebrew, it appears that this verse should say:And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for the holy ONES are HE;…Gill says:”In…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 27 2013,02:05)Quote (Lightenup @ Mar. 27 2013,20:04)t8A tree comes into being from a seed, that doesn't mean it's coming into being was a beginning of existence. It just means that it came into being in a different state. It went from within a seed to be apart from the seed. It existed within the seed before it came forth from the…[Read more]

I suppose if t8 is willing to break the first commandments then he would have no problem with lying about others and breaking his own rules that he himself established on HN. The Greek word 'theos' does not have the definition 'theoskind' as an option, with or without an article but the Hebrew word 'adam' does have the option of 'mankind.'Strong's…[Read more]

Bump for Mike.

Bo, we are commanded to love Jehovah as our only God. So, if any being is called god and is not Jehovah, we are not to make them a god of us. We are not to bow down to them, to serve them, to make covenants with them, etc. The million dollar question is whether Jesus is Jehovah or part of the Jehovah's deity? If so, He needs to be worshiped and…[Read more]

Kerwin, No one would be able to worship Jesus if He wasn't the Jehovah that became man because the Holy Spirit wouldn't have been given to us since we would remain in our sins. Jesus had to become a man to be our kinsman redeemer and mediator and Savior. I worship all that the Father is and Son is…the Root AND the Shoot, Jehovah and man. It is…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Mar. 26 2013,00:16)Most early Fathers who mention the Word talk about it residing in God as an attribute and then it being brought forth at some point like a flame that lights another flame. Where as you believe that there was always 2 flames (so to speak).We see a similar account regarding Wisdom in scripture. Spoken of as an…[Read more]