Two individual beings.

Quote (kerwin @ April 18 2013,20:38)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2013,07:18)There are two who are both called Yahweh, Kerwin. The Father gave His name to His Son also. There is Yahweh whom the Word is of and Yahweh who is the Word. Gen 15. They were with each other in the beginning. They are one.LU,You seem not to understand what is in a name.…[Read more]

The two who are called Yahweh as individuals are together one Yahweh unity.The Holy Elohim are He.

There are two who are both called Yahweh, Kerwin. The Father gave His name to His Son also. There is Yahweh whom the Word is of and Yahweh who is the Word. Gen 15. They were with each other in the beginning. They are one.

Quote (jb2u @ April 18 2013,11:17)Quote (Lightenup @ April 19 2013,02:22)jb2j, 2 Cor 4:4 does not mention Satan specifically, you and others imply this, but Jehovah has a history of blinding the mind of unbelievers and belittling the wisdom of man.Anyway theos is applied to others but theos and Jehovah are both applied to the Son who is the…[Read more]

jb2j, 2 Cor 4:4 does not mention Satan specifically, you and others imply this, but Jehovah has a history of blinding the mind of unbelievers and belittling the wisdom of man.Anyway theos is applied to others but theos and Jehovah are both applied to the Son who is the Word.Quote Let's not make the mistake of finding a verse that calls Jesus…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2013,18:54)Quote (t8 @ April 10 2013,01:58)In English we may understand that he is being called 'a god', but technically speaking, he is being called THE God if that translation is correct. And which God is that? The begotten one.Kathi recently pointed out the obvious fact that anyone who is called “THE god” in any…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 10 2013,18:22)Quote (t8 @ April 09 2013,20:38)Thanks Mike. I feel like we will cover much more ground and learn stuff compared to debating those who just regurgitate the same stuff. This is kinda what I prefer.Fantastic.  Quote (t8 @ April 09 2013,20:38)Before I start to reply, I should first just say that I do not…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 12 2013,23:16)Quote (t8 @ April 12 2013,00:50)Judas being called a devil is an example.And what exactly is “a devil”, t8?  A devil is a “false accuser”, and a “slanderer” – according to Strong.Was Judas actually a “false accuser”?  If he was, then he was actually “a devil”, right?  So no need to imagine that Jesus really m…[Read more]

Kerwin,You neglect the Jewish understanding of the “Word of Jehovah” as given to us in the Targums. The Targums reflect the Jewish understanding of that title. The Targums apply that title to the Jehovah that speaks to them. The OT tells us clearly that the Word of Jehovah is also Jehovah…there are two called Jehovah, the Father and the Son. The…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 16 2013,20:31)Yeah Pierre.  It's hard to read Heb 1:8 and still refuse to believe Jesus is a god.It is hard to believe that you have trouble connecting the theos of Heb 1:8 who is the' Word' of John 1:1 with the 'Word of Jehovah' in Gen 15:1-7 who calls Himself Jehovah, with John 17:11-12, showing two who have same name,…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 07 2013,21:28)Quote (Lightenup @ April 08 2013,16:21)We know that Judas wasn't there in the Again, if there are two devils, one could be with the other, right?If there are two theos, one could be with the other also. The Second Root was with the First Root…two who are both equally roots…with each other. Not a difficult…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ April 07 2013,21:24)Quote (Lightenup @ April 08 2013,13:21)Was God – In the previous phrase John had said that the Word was “with God.” Lest it should be supposed that he was a different and inferior being, here John states that “he was God.” There is no more unequivocal declaration in the Bible than this, and there could be no…[Read more]

Hi t8,Sorry it has been a while…I have been busy with other things.I am wondering why you took out half of the sentence when you quoted me in your last post, first line?

Quote (jb2u @ April 17 2013,07:50)Quote (Lightenup @ April 08 2013,11:17)jb2u,I believe you did not answer this or maybe I missed it. Please answer this:Can you prove that Jesus is not the only begotten God the Son? Can you prove that Jesus is not claiming to be God the Son? I am not asking you to prove that Jesus isn't God the Father.Sorry, I've…[Read more]

And this verse:Prov 9:10Young's Literal TranslationThe commencement of wisdom is the fear of Jehovah, And a knowledge of the Holy Ones is understanding.The Hebrew word for 'holy' is written in the plural!Another plurality in unity support verse for Jehovah as the eternal unity.

Ok Bo, you don't need to argue. I will keep posting here when I think something is relevant. For instance, I just came across this:Joshua 24:19Young's Literal TranslationAnd Joshua saith unto the people, 'Ye are not able to serve Jehovah, for a God most holy He is; a zealous God He is; He doth not bear with your transgression and with your…[Read more]

Joshua 24:19Young's Literal TranslationAnd Joshua saith unto the people, 'Ye are not able to serve Jehovah, for a God most holy He is; a zealous God He is; He doth not bear with your transgression and with your sins.Literally in the Hebrew, “for the holy ones are he.”Gill's comment on this here:In the Hebrew text it is, “for the Holy Ones are he”:…[Read more]

Proverbs 9:10Young's Literal TranslationThe commencement of wisdom is the fear of Jehovah, And a knowledge of the Holy Ones is understanding.Yes, the Hebrew has 'holy' as a plural!!

Quote (journey42 @ April 06 2013,23:28)Quote (terraricca @ April 06 2013,14:59)I start to believe that Kathy is like a car salesman ,that as a rotten car to sell ,he knows but it does not stop him from trying to sell it to an unaware individual ,:DPierre,From what I've read, Kathy is a real lady, and doesn't have spite in her heart.  If she…[Read more]