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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 9 months ago

    Pierre,1 John 5 goes on to say that having the Son equates to having eternal life:11And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.

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    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2013,15:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 06 2013,14:57)Keith,you said:Quote The scriptures declare the Holy Spirit as a living entity that recieves, hears, speaks, glorifies, teaches, comforts, grieves, can be blasphemed and is subject to Jesus and the Father. The definition of something with those attributes is a…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2013,12:54)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 06 2013,11:09)SINS THERE ARE NO SCRIPTURES THAT SAYS THAT CHRIST THE SON OF GOD IS “THE ETERNAL LIFE” BUT ONLY THAT “THROUGH HIM WE CAN OBTAIN ETERNAL LIFE “OR EVERLASTING LIFE, SO AGAIN YOUR TEACHINGS ARE FALSE,That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 04 2013,11:04)Quote (2besee @ Aug. 03 2013,20:55)WJ,Numbers  23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor the son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not make it good?God is not a man.Before you say that that was BEFORE He became a man – That cannot be,…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,19:43)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 04 2013,12:45)Regarding Matt 16:16, I am not denying that He is also the Son of God.But there is no hint of “also” in Matthew 16:16.  There is only “THE living God”, and the Son and Messiah OF “THE living God”.  Which one of those two is Jesus?  Is he THE living God?  Or the other one…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 9 months ago

    Besee,I gave you a response to that same question but you did not address it. Did you see it?

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    David's regenerated spirit is with the LORD but his body remains in the grave-decayed. Is death not the separation of spirit from the body? In a casket at a funeral, there lies a body without the spirit…right?

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    Keith,you said:Quote The scriptures declare the Holy Spirit as a living entity that recieves, hears, speaks, glorifies, teaches, comforts, grieves, can be blasphemed and is subject to Jesus and the Father. The definition of something with those attributes is a living person and not some force or power.Our spirit (the one common to man) is also a…[Read more]

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    The translators who call Jesus 'our God and Savior' are not only calling Jesus God but also the Father. Jehovah who is both, the God of gods and the Lord of lords does not give His glory to another. The Father and the Son are together the God of gods and the Lord of lords who does not give His glory to another.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2013,09:17)Quote (t8 @ Aug. 05 2013,17:44)Jesus said to them, 'ye are theos'. He did not say to anyone of them, 'you are a god'. If the Judges were theos, and the Pharisees held the seat of Moses, then they qualify as 'theos'. But that doesn't mean that Nicodemus was a god.t8You are right, Jesus never said anyone…[Read more]

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    Keith,Our spirit which is common to man, is directed by the man but is not considered a separate person. So, I don't see the validity of your explanation.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 9 months ago

    Pierre,The word 'life' can mean different things. You are one life among many here on HN. The Word 'life' in that sentence is another word for living person. Your wife has brought forth new life when she gave birth to your offspring. Here also 'life' is a word for a living person. Pro-choice activists hope to save 'one life at a time.' That is…[Read more]

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    Keith,From what you are saying, the spirit of a person is actually a part of the person. I agree with that. It also seems that you are saying that the Spirit of God is a part of God which I agree with also. Do you still believe the Spirit of God is a third person in the Godhead though as opposed to a united part of the two persons in the…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 9 months ago

    Pierre,Are all those commentators in agreement with me or you on who the Word of Life is?

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    Bo, They both are God…that is what Peter is saying. the AKJV is not consistent in translating 2Peter 1:1 when you compare 2Peter 1:11 that has the same word construction with the only difference being the word Lord for God in v. 11.Here are several translations of each of these two verses written by the same author in the same chapter and notice…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 04 2013,11:04)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 03 2013,15:20)Mike,Peter called Jesus 'our God and Savior' but he didn't call Him God the Father. Peter calls two different persons 'God.'No Kathi,Peter spoke about “God”, AND “our Savior Jesus Christ”.  He spoke about BOTH of these people in 2 Peter 1:1, and then he spoke about BOTH…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,18:42)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 05 2013,00:49)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 04 2013,12:54)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 04 2013,21:52)Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 03 2013,21:42)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 03 2013,21:14)Hey tWhat in my statement about t8 is untrue?You are showing your bias also!WJWJQuote You should tell the whole…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 9 months ago

    Good post Keith, not to mention the many times that the definite article IS used with theos in regards to the Son. I think t8 forgets that fact. He can't say he hasn't been shown over and over.

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    Ok, Bo…you say He was a man, prophet, messenger of God and a Word from God.Now tell me what this verse calls Him:2 Peter 1:1Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum Who is this Jesus? 12 years, 9 months ago

    Quote (abe @ Aug. 04 2013,12:50)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 04 2013,08:04)Quote (2besee @ Aug. 03 2013,20:55)WJ,Numbers  23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor the son of man, that he should repent. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not make it good?God is not a man.Before you say that that was BEFORE He…[Read more]

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