Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 13 2013,20:12)Okay Keith, You didn't answer the last two posts on page 1, but that's okay.  I want to keep this discussion focused anyway.Right now, the first scripture was brought up by Kathi, so let's finish with that scripture.What we do know is that demons were called gods by Moses.And since Moses gave no indication…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2013,20:39)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 11 2013,17:12)14And He hath been for a sanctuary, And for a stone of stumbling, and for a rock of falling, To the two houses of Israel, For a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.Please answer:Who is identified as the stone and rock in Isaiah 8.Jehovah is the rock in…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Aug. 14 2013,22:09)Quote The definition of polytheism is “The worship of or belief in more than one god.”Does the bible anywhere condemn “belief in more than one god.”?Wj, you believe in Jesus, who you would call godYou believe in the father, who you would call god. Some would say that makes you a polytheist.  The bible does…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 14 2013,19:24)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 13 2013,08:59)LOLYou guys are to funny.You guys believe and and bow down to and serve 2 gods, the Father who you say is god and Jesus who you say is a god.When you laugh, do so while looking in the mirror and take a good hard look at what manner of man you are.To correct your bearing…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 12 2013,20:48)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 12 2013,14:19)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 12 2013,12:59)LOLYou guys are to funny.You guys believe and and bow down to and serve 2 gods, the Father who you say is god and Jesus who you say is a god.Good post Keith!He's laughing at YOUR belief, Kathi…….. not ours.  We worship and…[Read more]

Bo,Being saved from dying isn't the same as being saved from death.The scripture is not a mistake. Jesus flesh died but after three days…no longer dead. Jesus was tempted to avoid the cup yet did not give in to that temptation. Jesus was tempted yet without sin.

Good post Keith!We know that Jehovah would have us NOT invoke the name of 'another god' or bow down to another 'god' and we also certainly know that Jesus is a theos whose name is invoked and who is bowed down to. Either Jesus is Jehovah also in some manner, or He is another god like Mike and t8 talk about.

Keith,An investigation into the power of demons would be insightful here. If they can do supernatural type of things and be within people or influence people, the people themselves can appear like gods when the demon is working in a supernatural way through them.

Good thread idea, Keith!I think this is a relevant passage to study in this regard:Deuteronomy15 “But Jeshurun grew fat, and kicked;you grew fat, stout, and sleek;then he forsook God who made himand scoffed at the Rock of his salvation.16 They stirred him to jealousy with strange gods;with abominations they provoked him to anger.17 They s…[Read more]

You will be laughing out loud at this guy…so hilarious!

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2013,20:14)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 07 2013,19:49)His beginning was in regards to a begettal, not a creation.At least two scriptures say differently. And look at this page.  The first thing they list after the big word “beget” is “create“.Anyone who has ever been begotten has also been created, Kathi.  You think Jesus i…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 11 2013,19:05)kathyQuote Pierre,We don't “learn” the Spirit into us. The Spirit is sent when we respond to the call of God and accept Jesus as Lord of all even when we do not understand much of anything. When God's Spirit is within us, it renews our mind and spirit but does not become our mind and spirit. I say :Quote the…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Aug. 07 2013,22:51)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 08 2013,09:30)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2013,17:40)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 06 2013,16:40)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 06 2013,16:26)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 06 2013,16:22)Keith,you said:Quote I never said the Holy Spirit is some non-personal force or non-personal power.I never…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Aug. 09 2013,10:35)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 07 2013,22:30)Their Omnipresent Spirit can hear, speak, grieve, etc and yet not be a distinct person. Their Omnipresent Spirit is one part of their personal 'tripartness' which is Their way of remaining in one place yet extending everywhere beyond that one place as directed by…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 11 2013,10:37)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 10 2013,13:14) Quote (mikeboll @ 64)Are you saying that only “Jehovah the Son” is “Jehovah of hosts”, and Jehovah the Father is NOT “Jehovah of hosts”?I'm not saying one way or the other as I have not done an exhaustive study on this.So how do you know the “Jehovah of hosts” in Isaiah…[Read more]

Mike,Quote Are you saying that only “Jehovah the Son” is “Jehovah of hosts”, and Jehovah the Father is NOT “Jehovah of hosts”?I'm not saying one way or the other as I have not done an exhaustive study on this. It is possible. Names of Jehovah are interchangeable for the Father and Son so it might be with this as well. Why, do you know of a passage…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 08 2013,20:16)Quote (Lightenup @ Aug. 07 2013,20:13)Does Isaiah 8 identify the Jehovah of hosts as Jehovah the speaker or someone other than Jehovah the speaker?Jehovah of hosts is the one speaking.Mike,Hmmmmm…are you trying to be deceptive?Please answer this regarding 1 Peter 2:6For this is contained in Scripture:…[Read more]

Bo,Jesus was ready to suffer and die because He had accomplished all that He was sent to do during His life, His work was done regarding how He was to live. He did not have to do a work in order to die…He did not kill Himself. The killing was the work of those who beat Him and crucified Him, Jesus didn't work to bear the sins either, He received…[Read more]

Jesus didn't have all the sins on Him when He was sent into the desert (wilderness). They were put on Him after He suffered and hung on the cross, just before He died. Sorry, you are wrong.

Mike,your incomplete list:Quote This is the church I belong to, Kathi. The one that recognizes Jesus as the Son, Messiah, Servant, Lamb, Prophet and Priest OF “the living God”. Now keep the list going…why stop at who Jesus is to His Father, hmmmm? Are you afraid to list who Jesus is to His Church?Jesus is our righteous God and Savior, our…[Read more]