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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 12 years ago

    @Wakeup
    Peter identifies Jesus to be the stumbling stone which Isaiah writes about and that stone is called Jehovah (LORD) of hosts by Jehovah. There are two who are named Jehovah. One is the Father and the other is the Son.

    Hope that helps!

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 12 years ago

    Matt 28:18
    And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

    That should help answer your question. Thanks Mike for the invite. I’m trying not to get too spread out.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 12 years ago

    @t8,
    The Son is also named Jehovah and that is what you miss, it seems. He represents Himself as He represents His Father. There is no disagreement. They can have the same name because they have the same character, an eternal God character. They are of the same mind. Notice the use of plural pronouns that I use. You would see them in the Bible…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 12 years ago

    @Wakeup,
    Let me just say that trinies do not say that God died. You do not understand the trinity if you believe this. Jesus’ flesh died but He didn’t. The trinies do not believe the Son is the Father, either.

    Just trying to help you, my friend.

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 12 years ago

    Hi Rebecca,
    Welcome to Heavennet! Aside from the trinity doctrine, do you understand that Peter in 1 Peter 2, identifies Jesus as the Jehovah of hosts of Isaiah 8:13

    Isaiah 8
    11For Jehovah spake thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying,

    12Say ye not, A conspiracy, concerning all whereof…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 12 years ago

    @t8,
    No t8, I am not saying God is like water…

    I’m saying that Jesus is identified by Peter in 1 Peter 2 as the Jehovah of hosts of Isaiah 8. Jehovah says this about Jesus (Jehovah of hosts):

    13Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.

    14And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 12 years ago

    @t8,
    No t8, I am not saying God is like water…

    I’m saying that Jesus is identified by Peter in 1 Peter 2 as the Jehovah of hosts of Isaiah 8. Jehovah says this about Jesus (Jehovah of hosts):

    13Jehovah of hosts, him shall ye sanctify; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.

    14And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of…[Read more]

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    Wakeup, we disagree here. The ‘word of God’ in one context does not have the same meaning in all the verses that it is found. Sometimes it refers to a person who is identified as Jesus in the NT and as Jehovah in the OT but not Jehovah the Father.

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    @wakeup

    Hi Wakeup,
    I appreciate your response. I do not agree that a man’s spirit=his desires. I would say that a man’s spirit has desires. I also disagree that man’s soul=his works.

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    @terricca

    Hi Terricca,
    You asked:

    how could something that is “OF GOD ” be the God of which he is of ?

    can now God almighty be shared ?

    Maybe this illustration can help:
    Isn’t the spirit of the person actually the person? Think about it…when a person dies, his spirit leaves his body. People say at the side of the open casket that that per…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 12 years ago

    Those who believe what Peter said when he identifies Jesus as the Son of God don’t always believe what Peter said when he identified Jesus as the ‘Jehovah of hosts’ from Isaiah 8:13 in 1 Peter 2.

    Shouldn’t we believe both ways that Peter identifies the Son and not just one way Peter has identified the Son???

    Has Jehovah of hosts become a stumbli…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic in the forum The Trinity Doctrine 12 years ago

    Those who believe what Peter said when he identifies Jesus as the Son of God don’t always believe what Peter said when he identified Jesus as the ‘Jehovah of hosts’ from Isaiah 8:13 in 1 Peter 2.

    Shouldn’t we believe both ways that Peter identifies the Son and not just one way Peter has identified the Son???

    Has Jehovah of hosts become a stumbli…[Read more]

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    Those who believe what Peter said when he identifies Jesus as the Son of God don’t always believe what Peter said when he identified Jesus as the ‘Jehovah of hosts’ from Isaiah 8:13 in 1 Peter 2.

    Shouldn’t we believe both ways that Peter identifies the Son and not just one way Peter has identified the Son???

    Has Jehovah of hosts become a…[Read more]

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Test in the forum Test Posts 12 years ago

    Is this bold?

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    Lightenup replied to the topic Test in the forum Test Posts 12 years ago

    Is this red?

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    @t8,
    Actually you have written the verse correctly in your last response but incorrectly as you have it in the message you wrote to Wakeup and as you have it in your signature. And, no, I have no intention of rejecting God’s word but only in preserving the correct wording, purpose and emphasis so that the truth not be misconstrued as you are…[Read more]

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    Lightenup posted a new activity comment 12 years ago

    @t8,
    Actually you have written the verse correctly in your last response but incorrectly as you have it in the message you wrote to Wakeup and as you have it in your signature. And, no, I have no intention of rejecting God’s word but only in preserving the correct wording, purpose and emphasis so that the truth not be misconstrued as you are…[Read more]

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