@lightenup
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
Hi Nick,
The Word of YHVH was the Heavenly Being that became flesh. The Word of YHVH was seen by man in the OT.Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
@bodhitharta
The devil had the power of death because he tempted Adam and Eve to disobey God. Satan brought death to mankind because death is the wages of sin. This power of death was rendered powerless by the shed blood of Jesus and His resurrection. YHVH ends people’s life and bring people back to life. That is the difference.I believe that…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup and GeneBalthrop only in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
@GeneBalthrop
you said:Your using the word begotten from one thing to represent a begotten from a completely different thing. Your trying to say the son preexisted as a sentinal being in one state of existence and then later was begotten, to another state of existence, that is an assumption on your part, you have never proved yet he did preexist…
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@carmel
Luke 12:24Consider the ravens: they neither sow nor reap, they have neither storehouse nor barn, and yet God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds!
Chickens are birds, btw which are not as valuable as man.Jesus died for sinners…He gave His life, shed His own blood for SINNERS. That should show you how God values…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@carmel
We raised chickens and they were definitely stinky and messy…pooped everywhere, lol.Man eats chickens not the other way around, btw. Man builds the chicken coop for the chicken, the chicken can’t build their own chicken coop.Chickens don’t rule over man, man rules over chickens. Man is made in the image of God, chickens are not.
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@carmel
Didn’t you say that Jesus came from satan?Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
Yes, I am here
Welcome back ๐
Jesus was created by God and not through the seed of man.
His flesh was created to contain always existent living spirit.
Now why exactly did God need to make himself a man that must be crucified?
Heb 2
14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup and GeneBalthrop only in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
@GeneBalthrop
you said:I AM STILL RIGHT ABOUT THE REST OF WHAT I SAID, I EXPRESSED THAT WAY BECAUSE I WAS,THINK YOU WERE STILL TRYING TO MAKE BEGOTTEN MEAN A ON GOING PROCESS, INSTEAD OF A PAST EXPRESSION OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED BEFORE.
I have NEVER suggested that ‘begotten’ means an on-going process…never. I really wonder about your…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup and GeneBalthrop only in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
@GeneBalthrop
you said:I AM STILL RIGHT ABOUT THE REST OF WHAT I SAID, I EXPRESSED THAT WAY BECAUSE I WAS,THINK YOU WERE STILL TRYING TO MAKE BEGOTTEN MEAN A ON GOING PROCESS, INSTEAD OF A PAST EXPRESSION OF SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED BEFORE.
I have NEVER suggested that ‘begotten’ means an on-going process…never. I really wonder about your…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
Bo?
Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup and GeneBalthrop only in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
@GeneBalthrop
you said:No you have it wrong i believe, jesus was not begotten from the dead
Rev 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,Gene, it is you that has it wrong and that…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@carmel
you said:I AM NOT A PERSON WHICH DENIES:
that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are worthy of all praise, honor and glory above all!!!!!!
From a previous post here, it seems to me that you want to include satan in the glory that you claim to give to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I don’t understand how that can be from God, it is so far…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@kerwin
It seems to me that we were made in the image of God at the time of creation and it does not depend on our sin condition. You really haven’t shown me any scripture that says otherwise. We can’t undo that mankind was made in the image of God by sinning.Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@carmel
I asked this:
Is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit worthy of all praise, honor and glory above all, in your opinion and do you love them with your whole heart, soul, and mind?You said this:
THAT I AM NOT AS YOU ASKED IN THE ABOVE HEADING
SINCE YOU SIMPLY NEVER PRODUCED A SUBSTANTIAL STATEMENT WHICH SUPPORTED YOUR QUESTION
So, you do not…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup and GeneBalthrop only in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
@GeneBalthrop
you said:i understand that a human being begins life in the womb of his mother 9 months before he or she is born. What does that have to do with JESUS PREEXITING as another sentenial being, before his human existence?
Another point when GOD SAID โTHIS DAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOUโ HE LIMITED it to certain day, a destinct time per…
Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup and GeneBalthrop only in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
@GeneBalthrop
you said:SORRY FOR THE MIX UP I WAS QUOTING THE VOICE OF GOD SAYING THIS IS MY BELOVED SON , HEAR HIM. At the mount of transfiguration, in MARK 9:7.
No worries, I get mixed up too from time to time. I am glad that we finally agree what was said by God the Father at the baptism of His Son.
you also said:
But that is not the…
Lightenup replied to the topic Lightenup and GeneBalthrop only in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
@GeneBalthrop
you said:SORRY FOR THE MIX UP I WAS QUOTING THE VOICE OF GOD SAYING THIS IS MY BELOVED SON , HEAR HIM. At the mount of transfiguration, in MARK 9:7.
No worries, I get mixed up too from time to time. I am glad that we finally agree what was said by God the Father at the baptism of His Son.
you also said:
But that is not the…
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
No Nick.
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
you said:
LU, are you still trying to convert people to believe in a double God who is singular?
lol. 10 points for effort.
๐ well actually I am going for an eternal reward but thanks for all the opportunities to show you where you are off target with your understanding.
Please notice Feb. 4th post…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
you said:
LU, are you still trying to convert people to believe in a double God who is singular?
lol. 10 points for effort.
๐ well actually I am going for an eternal reward but thanks for all the opportunities to show you where you are off target with your understanding.
Please notice Feb. 4th post…[Read more]
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