@lightenup
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
Bo
you said:Oh and one more thing: Jesus says John 15:15
Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.Jesus is the SERVANT of GOD….God is his LORD….Jesus does not know what his Lord doeth…He does not k…
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@bodhitharta
you said:Plus LU you keep assuming that the word Lord means divine so lets see:
There is a reason for that 🙂
John 18:36
Jesus replied, “My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my servants would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish authorities. But as it is, my kingdom is not…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@bodhitharta
you said:Plus LU you keep assuming that the word Lord means divine so lets see:
There is a reason for that 🙂
John 18:36
Jesus replied, “My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my servants would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish authorities. But as it is, my kingdom is not…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@ NickHassan
Yes, I am part of the “we” since I believe that Jehovah is the one God, the Father and the one Lord, Jesus Christ.Before Jesus became the Messiah, He was not a man but a creator of man with His Father. When He became a man according to his flesh, He was anointed as the Messiah.
May God bless you with a fuller revelation of Himself, Nick.
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
Yes, He is going to raise the bodies and judge the believers with the judgement at the “The Judgment Seat of Christ.”
The Judgment Seat of Christ
The first future judgment derives its name from two passages where the term “Judgment Seat of Christ” appears:
For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ (Romans 14:10).
For we mus…
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@NickHassan
The Lord is the Spirit. We have one Lord, Jesus Christ.Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@t8
For the Christians, there is one God the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ which together make up the one True God in His fullest sense as Jehovah the God of gods and the Lord of lords.you asked:
In the beginning was the Word.
Since when does eternity have a beginning
Eternity has an eternal beginning and in that beginning, God created…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
you asked:
So “Today I have begotten you” means there was a point in time in which he was begotten, right?
Time is relative as to who’s perspective you are referring to, man’s or God’s. The day the Son was begotten was a specific event which happened before creation. He existed before this event in a pre-begotten state.
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@ bodhitharta
Remember this regarding how the Son is God, different from others who might be called god.
How is Jesus as theos different from others who are called theos (other than the Father)?
The disciples prayed to Jesus and none of the others who are called theos (other than the Father).
No other theos (other than the Father) can forgive…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
Nick
you asked:You use intellectual arguments to try to understand what is spiritual?
I use the New Testament of God to explain the Old Testament. You do realize that the NT sheds light on the OT, don’t you, Nick.
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
@bodhitharta
Hebrews 5:5 doesn’t have the word ‘father’ in the Greek so it doesn’t literally say what you quoted. Here is a more literal translation:
5So also Christ did not glorify Himself so as to become a high priest, but He who said to Him,
“YOU ARE MY SON,
TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU”;Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
Nick
you said:Part of God yet distinct from God?
Sounds like mystery babylon.
Every son I have is a part of me yet distinct from me. Doctors usually understand this about sons.
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
Think about it Nick, since I am offering evidence from the Bible and you are in disagreement with it, then you are calling the Bible a liar or maybe it is that you are in denial of truth. Read this objectively:
In the OT, things of God are done in the name of YHWH, in the NT, things of God are addressed to the Father, in the name of the Son.…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
The OT also calls Jesus the Lord God,they are both Jehovah as the God of gods and the Lord of lords. Jehovah is the Lord of lords in the OT, Jesus is identified as the Lord of lords in the NT…every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is YHVH (LORD).
Paul calls Him (the Son) the only ‘kyrios’ and John tells us that He…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
The OT also calls Jesus the Lord God,they are both Jehovah as the God of gods and the Lord of lords. Jehovah is the Lord of lords, Jesus is the Lord of lords…every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is YHVH (LORD).
Paul calls Him (the Son) the only ‘kyrios’ and John tells us that He is the kyrios kyrion which…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
That is talking about the bodies, not the souls. The souls are already with the LORD.
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
Nick,
If the Son of God is you Lord, then why do you not recognize Him as the Lord in the first commandment?“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
Lightenup replied to the topic LU and BD Biblical discussion cont'd in the forum Debates 11 years, 2 months ago
@Bodhitharta
Those that have died are no longer in Hades but in Paradise if they are believers in Jesus as the Messiah and their LORD.Also, there would be no death if there was no evil, therefore, evil has the power of death and satan is the leader of evil. Jesus took away that power. People’s bodies still die but their soul goes to Paradise to…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
Nick
You are calling YHVH, the Lord of lords a demigod. YHVH the Lord of lords is the Word of YHVH, and YHVH who in the fullest sense is both God of gods and Lord of lords (Deut 10:17). Paul identifies them as Father and Son in 1 Cor 8:6. Someday even you will call Jesus ‘LORD’ (YHVH).Isaiah 45
21Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic PROOF of Jesus' eternal past existence in the forum Truth or Tradition 11 years, 2 months ago
Nick
You are calling YHVH, the Lord of lords a demigod. YHVH the Lord of lords is the Word of YHVH, who in the fullest sense is both God of gods and Lord of lords. Someday even you will call Jesus LORD (YHVH).- Load More

