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    Mike you asked:

    John 3:16… For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son…

    Just to be clear, the God who so loved the world is NOT the God you worship and serve.  Is that correct?

    Why would you say that?

    Just to be clear, the God who spoke to Jews’ ancestors through prophets and to the Jews through Jesus is NOT the God you worship and ser…

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    Hi Gene,

    Where in the story does Jesus deny that He is good? If you believe that Jesus is not good, what does He lack in your opinion?

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    Mike,

    You said:

     I think that it clearly refers to the one name.  How about you?

    I don’t think that is is clear to be only one name “Yahweh, our Righteousness.”

    I do believe that the Father is righteous, however it is the Son that is “our” righteousness and hence called “Yahweh, our righteousness.”

    Also, regarding Jerusalem being called “…[Read more]

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    Hi Mike,

    You said:

    Do you believe that the Jews thought that Jesus was making himself out to be the Most High God that no man has ever seen?  As if Jesus was literally trying to convince people that he was the very God who dwells in unapproachable light – whom no man can see and live?

    It seems to me that the Jews thought that Jesus was maki…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    You asked:

    Kathi, I also just noticed something in Rev 3:12 that might be huge.  Notice that Jesus is going to write on them (1) the name of his God, (2) the name of the city of his God, ie: New Jerusalem, and (3) his own new name.

    What the freak?  Is that Jesus telling us point blank that “Yahweh Our Righteousness” IS the name of New J…

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    Mike,

    The God that I worship as the creator is Yahweh who is both the Father and the Son together, two distinct persons who created the world in unity. So, your answer is “NO,” the Father and the Son together as the creator do not have a son named Jesus, the Son who created with the Father as Yahweh, is Jesus.

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    Thanks for your reply, Proclaimer.

    You said:

    Or they say that he is God and as old as God.

    150 AD Justin Martyr “The Father of the universe has a Son, who also being the first begotten Word of God, is even God.” (Justin Martyr, First Apology, ch 63)
    150 AD Justin Martyr “Christ is called both God and Lord of hosts.” (Dialogue with Trypho, ch,…[Read more]

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    Berean,

    Regarding my question to you here:

    That “servant” you write of is called Yahweh at times and served with creating the universe, is that what you believe?

    You said: My answer is a BIG YES!

    Amen!

    Now, please confirm that you believe the Father is called Yahweh and His own Son is called Yahweh and both are involved in bringing about cre…[Read more]

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    Hi Berean,

    You said this:

    AND WHAT A SON AND SERVANT!

    That “servant” you write of is called Yahweh at times and served with creating the universe, is that what you believe?

    Blessings, LU

     

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    Proclaimer,

    Here is what I found about the definition of “proper” in the KJV dictionary:

    KJV Dictionary Definition: proper
    proper
    PROP’ER, a. L. proprius, supposed to be allied to prope, near.

    1. Peculiar; naturally or essentially belonging to a person or thing; not common. That is not proper, which is common to many. Every animal has his…

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    Thanks Proclaimer, I agree with most of what you said. I’m not sure if you agree with what Justin Martyr said here:

    Jesus Christ is the only proper Son who has been begotten by God, being His Word and first-begotten.

    Do you agree that Jesus is the only proper Son and all other beings called “sons” are not proper sons but instead created sons? And…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    You said:

    Christ himself blinds their minds so they can’t see the light that displays his own glory?  Does that really make any sense to you?

    John 12:40“HE HAS BLINDED THEIR EYES AND HE HARDENED THEIR HEART, SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT SEE WITH THEIR EYES AND PERCEIVE WITH THEIR HEART, AND BE CONVERTED AND I HEAL THEM.”

    According to you, Mike,…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    You asked about John 10:33 and that it should be translated as “a god.” My answer is no, it is translated as “God” and not “a god” as it should be because of what it says in this verse:

    John 5:18

    For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God

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    Mike,

    You said:

    But you’ll have to concede that every single one of those things that “existed” before they passed through the birth canal DIDN’T exist before their pre-birth “existence”.

    Did the Son exist before Mary conceived? You claim that the Son existed at the beginning of creation before Mary ever conceived. So, there is that…also…[Read more]

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    @Proclaimer

    Fourth time reposted for your convenience, please answer:

    Proclaimer,

    You said:

    You either believe or you don’t. Fine.
    So, what do YOU proclaim, Proclaimer? Do you think that God could produce a “biological” son, one that comes through some sort of an asexual reproductive process and in that manner the son is the actual, liter…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    You said:

    If it was a matter of just that ONE “possessed/created” word, you might have a valid argument.  But that word is immediately followed up by three other words from Jesus himself that DEMAND a meaning of “created” for the first word.

    Really???  I was given birth, when there were no springs overflowing with water; before the mount…[Read more]

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    Mike,

    You have asked this multiple times:

    KATHI, DOES YOUR GOD AND CREATOR HAVE A SON NAMED JESUS OR NOT?

    The Father and the Son are the creator. The Father has a son named Jesus. The Father together with His Son are the creator. They are my God.

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    Mike,

    You said:

    And since Jesus’s title “only begotten son of God” had nothing to do with him being brought into existence before the world began, there is nothing in the entirety of scripture to suggest that the manner in which Jesus was brought into existence is any different than the way God’s other heavenly sons were brought into existen…

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    Mike,

    You said:

    On the other hand, we know for a fact that God has given authority over all the kingdoms of the world to Satan.  (Luke 4:6)

    That was satan’s claim, he was lying.

    Ellicott’s Commentary for English Readers:

    The notion that any such delegated sovereignty had been assigned to the Tempter, either before or after his fall from his…

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    Mike,

    You regarding this:

    Mike:  But first, one simple question that should lay it all out in the open for all to see…

    1.  KATHI, WHO EXACTLY IS THE “GOD” THAT YOU WORSHIP AND SERVE AS THE CREATOR OF HEAVEN, EARTH, SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM?

    LU:  YAHWEH, THE GOD OF GODS AND THE LORD OF LORDS.

    Mike:  2.  And is Jesus the Son OF the Go…

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