@Jodi,

Let’s keep going and talk about your justification of I Cor 9:20-23; why begin at verse 18, let’s back up to verse 14 where Paul tells the Corinthians he’s not going to take payment from them even though “the Lord directed those who proclaim the gospel to get their living from the gospel.” This is suppose to come from Matt 10:10; the probl…[Read more]

@Jodi,

Response to post 946113

You: Corinth, you’re so wealthy, your so cool, I wouldn’t dare ask anything from you, but get this, ha ha, I am here preaching the gospel to you, by the backs of those poor churches, yah those idiots I make them pay.

Me: Cute! To bad you missed what I was saying. I wasn’t speaking of when “collections” were take…[Read more]

@Jodi

Me: God didn’t create laws that man wasn’t able to do, man chose not to do them and has paid the consequence for that disobedience. Read Deuteronomy Chapter 30.

You: Your above statement contradicts scripture of the OT and it preaches self-righteousness which then you make us into our own gods.

Me: There is nothing in what I said that con…[Read more]

@Jodi,

What’s wrong with Paul? Here are a few verses of Paul and tell me you’re okay with what he says:

II Cor 11:8 I robbed other churches, taking wages of them that I might minister unto you; Paul tells the Corinthians he isn’t charging them for his “ministry” to them; he is being so gracious to the wealthier church in Corinth, but took paym…[Read more]

@Jodi,

You: What you are saying is simply not true, to the point it make me think you haven’t read much at all about the bible.

Me: Is this like me telling you to read the prophets and you becoming offended?

You: Does not God destroy the wicked throughout the OT? Does he not punish and kill unbelievers, those who don’t put their trust and faith…[Read more]

@Jodi,

I have asked many questions; they may not have been specifically directed at you, but do remain unanswered.

You say I’m “misinterpreting” the scripture because I say the NT doesn’t align with the Tanakh. I’m reading the words that are there. Let’s take a look why I say the book of Hebrews must be stripped from the bible and tell me if i…[Read more]

@Jodi,

Please head over to biblehub and read the commentaries on 2 Pet 2:4.

I do agree commentators can and do inject some personal bias into their understanding; however, when there are multiple commentators who agree this passage is a reference to heavenly angels are we to ignore the teaching in favor of our personal religious…[Read more]

@Jodi,

You: First of all you need to stop saying things like “is there a passage in the Tanakh (OT) that says…” and such the like. It’s pointless to someone who believes that the OT and the NT is God’s word. Do you do the same from one OT book with that of another, why not? Do you question what Isaiah says, if you can’t also find it written…[Read more]

@Jodi,

The Isa 45 passage you site is Isa 46:10, (clarity for others). What is this chapter about, what is God saying through the prophet? In verse 10 God explicitly states HE knows the outcome of everything. HIS plans will be accomplished no matter what and verse 3 tells us who HE is speaking to “Listen to me, house of Jacob, and all the r…[Read more]

@Jodi,

So we can safely say and be in agreement angels cannot sin and all angels are simply messengers of God doing only what HE commands.

Looking again at II Pet 2:4, even though it says angels (heavenly hosts as confirmed thru a few commentaries), your faith however tells you these “angels” are prophets. Reading the passage, Peter is using a h…[Read more]

@Jodi,

You quote II Pet 2 and verse 4 you state:

“Verse 4 is not talking about celestial messengers it is talking about God’s messengers the prophets who sinned.”

Except when looking up the word angel the Greek ἀγγέλων means “a messenger, angel” and according to Strong’s the understanding of this passage is “Certain of the angels have proved fa…[Read more]

@Jodi,

Briefly on freewill, it’s the idea/ablity to freely make decision in life – good or bad/right or wrong; otherwise we are stuck with the concept of “predestination” or is there another option? If we don’t have freewill, then surely the angels don’t either. If angels don’t have freewill, then satan and demons don’t have freewill and th…[Read more]

@Jodi,

This is intriguing, you describe the angels as being under God’s control and doing HIS commands; in some cases, “creating evil.” If “evil” is from the hand of God, this would mean the “evil” we see and experience originates from God, by/through HIS angels. Am I understanding you correctly?

Is “sin” the “evil” God is speaking of in Isaiah…[Read more]

@Jodi

Rev.12 : 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, 👉which deceiveth the whole world:👈 he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

🤔

@jodi

Hi Jodi,

Yes, Job did complain and repented but he never cursed God.
Job 2:9-10
Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast to your integrity? Curse God and die!”
But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God, and shall we not accept adversity?” In all this Job did not sin…[Read more]

@jodi

Hi Jodi,

You: The adversary in the book of Job was not a FALSE accuser…

Me: He was. Job stayed faithful to God and didn’t curse Him, as Satan said he would.

Anyway, I had to respond to your false statement.

God bless

@Jodi

You

Berean, there is absolutely nothing in this passage that speaks to the>The passages is all about the king of Babylon existence of some evil spirit being.

Me

Why do you set aside the passages which clearly state that Satan , the devil, is the fallen angels who have been deceiving the world from the beginning?

Isaiah 14:12
How art…[Read more]

@Jodi

You

There is not one scripture that speaks of fallen angels being likened to dragons, beasts, serpents etc (“fallen angel” isn’t even in the bible),….

Me

👇

Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Rev.12

And there was war i…[Read more]

@jodi

Hi Jodi,

Sorry to post the same post the third time but there is a problem with this website. If I click on my last two posts to you then it will only show an older post.

I agree that others can be called satan, because they are acting as adversaries.
But there is definitely this wicked fallen angel, or more precisely, cherub.
He is also…[Read more]

@jodi

Hi Jodi,

I agree that others can be called satan, because they are acting as adversaries.
But there is definitely this wicked fallen angel, or more precisely, cherub.
He is also called “the accuser of the brethren” (Revelation 12:10).
That’s exactly what he did with Job.

So for me this topic is settled.
I’m not interested to discuss…[Read more]