Hi TC,

YOU:Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight…
YOU: The Messiah received his glory after he was resurrected into heaven.

ME: Resurrected into heaven? What on earth are you talking about?

According to 1 Corinthians 15 and Romans 1 he received power upon h…[Read more]

Hi TC,

YOU: Acts 2:33 shows clearly that Christ having received of the Father the promise of the holy spirit was by being present with him in heaven. Christ had to have received the promise of the spirit after he had ascended into heaven so the apostles and those in attendance could receive it.

ME:TC you create contradiction and make the bible…[Read more]

Hi Anthony,

You:Father God prepared an embryonic fleshly body for His Son and planted this embryonic life in the womb of the Virgin Mary. Jesus Christ prior to becoming flesh. The Son was transformed from His glorified immortal state into a lowly humble mortal state when He became fleshly body in the womb of the Virgin Mary, in order to die for…[Read more]

Hi Anthony,

YOU: The author of Mark’s Gospel, writing at a time when all Christians accepted Jesus as Messiah, went even further, implying that it was at his baptism that Jesus became the Messiah. We read that when Jesus came out of the water he saw the heavens opened and the Spirit descended upon him like a dove and a voice came from heaven s…[Read more]

Hello All,

READ Hebrews 7 no part of this says Jesus pre-existed as Melchisedec. Jesus was MADE a high priest, BECAUSE he had been PERFECTED. Hebrews 7 compares the difference between the Levitical priesthood of which is obtained through bloodline verses the OATH God made concerning a different type of priesthood, where only one sacrifice needed…[Read more]

To ALL,

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

preeminence — Proteup—–to be first, hold the first place

Jesus is BEFORE Abraham, he is BEFORE David because in ALL things God made him first, AHEAD of them all, the…[Read more]

Hi t8,

You:While some here say in error that God didn’t create the cosmos through the son, it is also wrong to say that Jesus created the cosmos. It was God who created all things THROUGH the son. This is clearly written. No excuses.

Me: I don’t believe that I have heard a single person here say that God did not create the cosmos through the s…[Read more]

Hi t8,

I listened to the video you posted at the beginning.

I hope you are ready to dig into scripture!!

John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us,…[Read more]

Hi TC,

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and HAVING received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear

YOU: This verse shows Christ at the right hand of God exalted. This shows Christ being in the presence of his father exalted or glorified. This should be enough to…[Read more]

Hi Dig4truth,

Surely Hebrews 1 is speaking of the human who God perfected, you know that human who sits at God’s right hand right now. You know the human who is able to be our judge and ruler over all because he was tempted just like we were tempted. You know that human who is returning to earth who has the Glory of the Father. You know, the…[Read more]

Hi Gene, Thank You! God Bless!

Hi Anthony,

Could you give me the scripture that says Jesus created everything because I can only find passages that say that the Father of Jesus created everything. In Colossians we are told that in Jesus heaven and earth was made, that it was made through him and for him, this is NOT the same thing as Jesus himself literally creating heaven and…[Read more]

Good Morning Anthony and Dig4truth,

Please read the below passages, it is you that are in a VERY tight spot.

Hear the word of God an BELIEVE, apply scripture with scripture.

APPLY Paul’s words with Paul’s words, as as Romans and Colossians speak of the same thing.

Romans 8: 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed…[Read more]

Hi Dig4truth,

There is no tight spot here, lol!

ME: “The Father created heaven and earth for the perfected human, the human of eternal life.”

YOU: Where is that in the scriptures? You understand that before Adam and Eve no human was created yet, right? So no human is eternal, they can be everlasting but to be eternal one must be God.

ME: The…[Read more]

Dig4truth,

Not sure what you are saying, did you read Isaiah 42?

Our heavenly Father says that He created the heavens and the earth, and man. In this chapter He speaks of the Christ. He speaks of Christ as NOT existing yet. Christ could not be the person who created heaven and earth, when the passage tells us clearly that his FATHER DID.

5 This…[Read more]

To ALL,

1 Corinthians 15:52 and 1 Thes 4:16-17 with 2 Cor 12:2-3, Phil 1:22 and 2 Cor 5:8 are passages that do not create contradiction.

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1 Thes 4:16 For the Lord…[Read more]

Good Morning Dig4truth,

You said,

Jodi: “There existed at this TIME NO Son of God that was firstborn over all creation ruling over the earth.”

Who then created the heavens and the earth?

Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or auth…[Read more]

Hi TC,

I will post here what I posted on the other thread,

Yes it is unfruitful to go over the same thing over and over, you ask for reconciliation according to your false interpretation of what you call some true “hidden message”. For me there is nothing that needs to be reconciled there exists no contradiction when each of those verses you giv…[Read more]

Hi TC,

John 17:5 now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

You: This is: “glorify thou me with thine own self”. This means Christ was glorified after he had ascended into heaven in the presence of his father.

ME: I see that you did not use a translation that actu…[Read more]

Hi TC,

You:Christ was the only one that had his body converted directly into a spirit one when he had ascended into heaven. We inherit like bodies as his. We become adopted sons of God through bonding with his heart and of being of his body.”

Me: You have not provided one shred of evidence that Jesus’s body CHANGED upon ascending to sit at G…[Read more]