Ed J,

I CANNOT let this go!!

YOU:Then the promise of eternal salvation could not have been given to us then either, thank you for proving my point!

ME: I have NEVER said that the PROMISE was RECEIVED/FULFILLED to people before the world was made, such would mean that before the world was made people existed and they had eternal life. Seriously…[Read more]

Ed J,

Seriously this is truly strange,

Before the foundation of the world the people didn’t receive the given promise of eternal salvation, that is obvious as they weren’t even created yet. Likewise of course Jesus wasn’t slain before the foundation of the world, he hadn’t been born yet and hadn’t been perfected yet.

This does NOT mean that the…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

YOU:Then the promise of eternal salvation could not have been given to us then either, thank you for proving my point!

ME: The PROMISE of eternal salvation was indeed spoken by God before the foundation of the world, just as Jesus being slain was planned to one day occur a plan made before God laid down the foundation.

The Promise was…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

YOU:

Are you suggesting he was a sinner Before he learned to be obiedent to God’s will “Yes” or “No”

Perhaps you are applying a different definition to the word “perfect”, are you?
By what you are saying, Then he was not perfect until after he decided to go to the cross…

Luke 22:34 “Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove t…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life, of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of the world.

ED J NO, Jesus was not slain…[Read more]

Ed J,

There is no rule about asking yes or no questions and you are to take turns. This is NOT a GAME, though you seem sure bent on treating it like one. This is about TRUTH and using scripture to support your understanding, using questions to others to clarify what a person does and does not believe. I will ask questions when I want to and you…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

YOU:
Yes, Jesus was made perfect at his conception, not at some later time

ME:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

He LEARNED OBEDIENCE by the things he suffered, and being made perfect he became…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

ME:

In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

1. Before time began God promised eternal life? Yes or No?

YOU: No, the promise was made to us after the world began

ME:  Let’s look at the surrounding text, as I would hate for you to be declaring that God is a liar Ed J.

1 Paul, a servant of…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

Mary became pregnant to a human by the power of the Holy Spirit. God created the egg and the sperm to unite to create another human life.

The son of David who would fulfill all of God’s will, was going to come to us strictly through God’s will and power, by a virgin birth. 

God made humans to have an individual genetic code.  He made t…[Read more]

Hi Anthony,

YOU: I beg to differ with you. you must of not read the whole story. Jesus was raised with a physical body but was changed sometime before He got to His Father in heaven,flesh and blood can’t inherit the Kingdom. We are raised the same way physical body, then we are changed to a spiritual body in a twinkle of a eye. Like I said fl…[Read more]

Hi TC,

The one who is in the image of God is the one who God made perfect and raised firstborn of the dead. He is the image of the invisible God, the one who shed his blood. We are to be like minded with him, as a man who was led by God’s Spirit learning obedience through suffering. 

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his…[Read more]

Hi TC,

YOU:The IMAGE OF GOD EXISTED FROM ETERNITY and is the Expression of God. The image of God existed as the WORD OF GOD and was responsible for all creation and revelation. It still is. It is the image of the MIND OF GOD.

ME: God exists with Powers, His Spirit is the source of all truth and righteousness, His Spirit is Wisdom, Understanding,…[Read more]

Hi TC and All,

This entire chapter of John 3 tells you that,

 Jesus is a man that was born again, by being born again he saw the kingdom of God and that is how he was able to PREACH of the kingdom of God.

He had received God’s Spirit without measure, that is how he was able to speak God’s WORD. 

This man BORN again of Water and of the Spi…[Read more]

Hi TC,

There is so much you have posted above I don’t even know where to begin, my mind is spinning, and I haven’t even read all of it yet, lol.

I just read all of 1 Peter 1 and then read Romans 8, they speak directly against your doctrine.

1 Peter 1:1, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia,…[Read more]

Hi Ed J,

YOU:

You are explaining the Second part of the verse, here is the part I want you to explain…

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven:

ME: Ed J, I do not think we will be able to continue discussing scripture. Explaining part of a passage without discussing the rest of the passage is absolutely ludicrous, you are n…[Read more]

Some highlights from John 17 to apply to scriptures elsewhere,

Jesus said, “They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world”

Jesus said, “As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world”

Jesus said, “For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known…[Read more]

Ed J,

Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

3. The Son of Man came to SERVE and to give his life as a ransom? Yes or No

Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him,This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham. 10 For the Son of man is c…[Read more]

Ed J,

Hebrews 5:9 and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

2. By Jesus being MADE perfect, he became the source for our salvation? Yes or No?

Ed J,

Please answer my below question,

Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

1. Before time began God promised eternal life?  Yes or No?

Ed J,

Please answer my below questions,

Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

Ed J, Before time began God promised eternal life?  Yes or No

Hebrews 5:9 and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

Ed J, By Jesus being MADE perfect,…[Read more]