Mike , I am going to post about where Jesus said “before Abraham I am”,  from the point in that chapter when it not only shows Jesus was not saying he existed befor Abraham, but where it also shows he wasn’t even there then.  Jesus clearly implies it, by his own words.  I am going to direct it to Berean  but the rest can also commit on it.…[Read more]

Mike , yes but that is not what they believe and teach ,, they believe Jesus is “himself” God’s word, they teach that when John said in the beginning was the word and the words was with God and the word was God.   They transpose the word “word” written there as  to be Jesus himself.  They are not taking it as Jesus spoke God the Fathers words to u…[Read more]

Berean……I will try to repost to you again on the word Before, and a word study on what Jesus was addressing when he said that.  In the mean time if you can go and reread that whole chapter, starting where they as him if he was greater the Abraham and the prophets.  The whole context is important in explaining several things including e…[Read more]

Proclaimer…… fix this site where it dosen’t log me out every day OK . I spent a hour writing a post to Berean and it would not post because I was loged out.  Leave me loged in if you can.

Peace and love to you and yours………..gene

Carmel……when he was resurected from the Grave, he was the First one from humanity to be born into the kingdom of God and the first human being given eternal life. Evidently you don’t really believe Jesus was actually Dead, even though he said he was.

What do you do with Jesus saying he was a Son of Man around eighty times?  Obvisely you…[Read more]

Proclaimer……you will alway chose that which “influences” you the most.  We are all held captive by what “influencing” us the Most , rather good or evil.  Why do you think God has to take the Stoney hearts out of us and give usca new heart, and why does he have to write his laws on our inward parts.  But for you and Edj.  It’s your own so-…[Read more]

Berean……How interesting, your diffenition of the GREEK WORD ((prin) is completely different then the one I copied and posted from STRONGS concordance,  (G4250)  

But then that’s what you people do, you force the text to say what in fact it is not saying, to meet your false “trinitarian”,  preexisting,  teachings.

Get a Strongs conc…[Read more]

Proclaimer……first of all we are not told God created anything through anyone, we are actually told by him , He created everything “alone” and by “himself”.  Now that’s “direct” evidence,  but you fail to use that “actual evidence”  even though the word (dia) in the Greek does not carry the import of the English word  “through” does.   

But you…[Read more]

Edj……The term blue moon, can express feeling bad. Princess could be going through a sad time right now.

If you are Princess, hope you get to feeling better.

Peace and love to you and yours……….gene

Edj…..the word used there means volintary on their own to do it.  It does not talk about what a Will is,  as I have said, we all have freedom to express our “influenced” will’s  but that does not mean those Will’s themselves  are without “influence”, as a so-called “freewill” would have to be completely free of any influence what so ever, ino…[Read more]

Lulu……you were giving us the English definition of the word “Before” it’s not the same in Greek.

STRONG…..Greek (pro) ….A primary preposition; “fore”, that is, “in front of” , prior (figuratively superior) to. 

That is the Greek meaning of the word (pro) that is used in the text. 

Jesus was not telling them he was “alive” before Abr…[Read more]

To all……Words are important, because they relay the meaning of what is said, to us all. The problem that most bible readers do not understand that there are many grammatical errors in our present translations, because during the translations to English from Greek, there are in some cases 10- 20 different grammatical errors, the scholar WILL’S…[Read more]

Lulu…..I feel you may be new in the Faith, or have recieved wrong information, from main stream Christian dogmas.  But I would ask you to do a honest word search, on the word “before”  please.

You will find that word in the Greek , does not imply Jesus existed before Abraham,  but is before him in “importance”.  You must understand the Jew…[Read more]

Edj……your again not reading my post right,  I said,  “IF”   frewill were true, God could not predict anything, why because anyone could change their minds at any time, so how could God predict anything a human will do?  

Of course the is “not” my view of God , but the view of you so-called “freewillers”    not me,  because I believe Go…[Read more]

Proclaimer……so you believe in a contradiction in scriptures,  because this is what the Old Testement says ,

Isa 44:24…..thus says the LORD, thy redeemer; and he that formed you (Israel)  from the womb, I AM THE LORD, that makes “ALL THINGS” ; that streaches forth the heavens “ALONE”;  that spreads abroad the earth by “MYSELF” ; 

Seems you…[Read more]

Carmel…..God certanily does do things “by his Spirit “in” a person, that for sure, he spoke to us through the Prophets , of which Jesus was one of them, and they were all “anointed” beings who God was in ‘via’ his Anointing Spirit.  And yes it was God who was doing it, just as Jesus said, he could do “NOTHING” of  himself. 

But we are not tal…[Read more]

Proclaimer……God created my parents and me and Jesus, the Spirit of life from the one God, that given us all a  body  body was placed there by God alone, not through anyone but him alone,  what God made was expandable from the beginning and has never quite expanding yet.   Tell me this why did Jesus say,  “call no man on earth your Fathe…[Read more]

Edj…..then why did God Say he did it “ALONE”, and by  “HIMSELF”  , which part of ALONE, and by HIMSELF,  you people don’t understand?   If he did it “ALONE” then he didn’t do it with or through anyone else. SO YOU HAVE CREATED A “COUNTRIDCTION ” in scriptures. So what can possible be the problem here,  it is with the  GREEK word (dia) ,  a Greek…[Read more]

Carmel…….The term root there , should be translated and  is translated in several ways   but most Scholars believe it should be translated as “shoot”  that  grows out of or from the root of a tree. SCRIPTURE TELL US THAT SHOOT OR BRANCH WAS FROM THE stump of  JESSE, WHICH BOTH KING DAVID and then  JESUS CAME FROM.

There are so many script…[Read more]

Carmel,  the root “OF” Jesse……The word “Of” Means “From”, Jesus is “FROM” M the ROOT OF JESSE. 

Your again have twisted up scriptures to meet you “mystery” religious belifs.  

Sorry I don’t buy it!

Peace and love to you and yours……….gene