Berean…..it will makes perfect sense if you understand both Jesus and John,  are servants of GOD the Father.   We are too.

Thats why I gave proof that Jesus himself is refereed to By God the Father as “his servant”. So are all of us that believe in him, his servants.  We ar e joint servants with Jesus and joint Heirs with him also. 

I will…[Read more]

Carnel……my how hard it is to corner a snake in a bryor patch. , you twist and turn every scripture into you false conclusion everytime you post. Calling others CARNEL,ONLY SHOWS HOW REALLY CARNEL MINDED YOU ARE CARMEL. Sorry to have to say that but it is true. Can’t you just come up with a simple answer, instead of taking us through all your…[Read more]

Berean……you changed the wording of the text again,  that’s no allowed,  I am quoting from the original king James ,  are you?

REV 1:1….”The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which “GOD” gave unto him, to shew unto “HIS” servants things which must shortly come to pass; and “He” sent and “signified” it by his “angel” (or messenger) unto “His” servan…[Read more]

Berean…..OK,  let’s go slow , let’s start with Rev 1:1

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which “GOD” gave unto him, (for what perpose?) to show unto “His”  “servants”  . 

So we can see that it was God the Father, that gave it to Jesus, to show unto his servants,  are we ok with that so far?

Side bar…..notice it say this also,  “things t…[Read more]

Proclaimer….. “O” it’s  your lack of understanding, thats why you need the Spirit of the truth to guide your mind , into the truth,  but what “captivating” your mind, hence your “will” , IS preventing you from this subject it seems.  So you not as “free” as you assumed you were right? 

I ask for a simple descussion, and you bounce off the wal…[Read more]

Berean……a messenger of God.  Now answered my question,  if you can.

What messenger did Jesus send to testify those thing he saw in the churches?  Was it not John he gave the Revelation that God the Father gave him, and was it not John who wrote it down and took it to the Churches?

Berean…..it was Jesus himself who gave what God the Fa…[Read more]

Proclaimer…..please explain this then.

Provides 22:6……”Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.”

How does that stack up with your doctrine of “freewill” thinkers?

Jodi is right I am not think speaking with a forked tongue.

Nowhere did I ever say  “our will are free” to chose what the w…[Read more]

Berean ,  please just deal with the scriptures I ask , you and Proclaimer to deal with first OK. CAN YOU SIMPLY DO THAT? , and good night , by the  way, plesent dreams.

Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

CARMEL….. so when scriptures say “ADAM THE SON OF GOD”   that in the way you think means He “is” a  God also?   BEING A SON OR DAUGHTER OF GOD DOES NOT MAKE YOU A GOD. “Know you not that “NOW” we “ARE”  the sons of God”. But it does make you a child of God , but we as Jesus believe and reach  this,  “call no man on earth your Father, but one…[Read more]

Edj…..proof of the truth is what matters, not our own opinions. You might start to grow if you start caring more about that rather then your own  personal opinions. Learn to really “love the truth” seek it, ask for it, knock,  and it shall be given you. 

Peace and love to you and yous………gene

Berean……. so how was the angel from his (Johns) “brethern”, and the “prophets”  are angels of human “brethern”  are they  also considered to be “prophets”?   Now tell us how are they of (from) “human” brethren  . 

Here is what Moses Said,  the LORD shall raise up from among your “brethern” a “prophet” like unto me.  Is that not what that…[Read more]

Berean……Your jumping all over the place, bringing in all kinds of different scriptures.   Please stay focused on the scriptures I was talking about, after that If you want to go to other specific scriptures we can do that, but right now I am asking  you and Proclaimer to descuss the specific ones I have listed first Ok? ,

Getting deverted fr…[Read more]

PROCLAIMER….. there is nothing that Jesus ever did that we can’t do either, nothing, even greater works we can do, then he did. THAT is if you “truly”  believe what he said. 

John 14:12…..verily, verily, I say unto you he that believes on me, the works that I do,  shall he do also, and “greater” works than these “shall he do” ; because I go…[Read more]

Berean….,  That was not just talking about what Jesus did, it was saying what God the Father did also, God the Father gave it to his “messenger”  Jesus,  and Jesus gave it to his svant John, who gave it to the Churches.  There is only three people mentioned there  one was God the Father, who gave it to Jesus as his messenger,  who gave it to Jo…[Read more]

Edj……it was Jesus “Faith” in God the Father , that enabled Jesus, to have miracles done for him.  If you have Faith the size of a grain of mustard see “you “could” say, Unto this mountain be cast into the sea” and it would happen.  So who has ever done that?  did Jesus ever cast a mountain into the sea? No , why not?   “Could” it be done? ,  b…[Read more]

Proclaimer…..Rev 22 : 7- 13.   Please deal with who was the one speaking, in those verses , excluding verse 8, because that was John speaking. Please notice if the same person was speaking in 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13.. ,

Also you can see also  in verse 16 that the angel or  “messenger”,  who Jesus sent to testify these thing to the “CHURCHES”, was…[Read more]

Berean…..I want Proclaimer’s  response to my Challenge,  if you want to be included the please go back and address “each” scripture I have given , and tell me who was the one speaking, and give me your reason for saying it.

I have said and maintain by ““proof”  that it was the same person speaking to John in verse 7 , 9, 10, 11, 12, 13,  tha…[Read more]

Proclaimer,  there is no such thing  as a will, that is Free, or it wouldn’t even be a will, now would it? ,  again for the hundredth  time,   Jodi and I ‘both” know we have freedom to exercise our Will’s,  we are not arguing that point, we are talking about the Will “itself” and how it operates. And there is “nothing” free about that at all.  I…[Read more]

Proclaimer. ……I proved it was the same person speaking all the way through,  from verse 22: 7 – 13,

You say you test things, well instead of making your own deluded statements about us, why no disprove what I was saying, by looking at the “evidence” I posted instead of making personal attacks on me and Jodi,  and show us O WISE ONE, that w…[Read more]

Berean,  the word there for “angel”, was put there to throw people off,

The word  Greek word (aggelos)

STRONGS G32……from aggello (probably derived from G71; compare G34; to bring tidings); a messenger, ; espically and angel; by implication a pastor: – angel,  messenger. 

The messenger does not have to be an angelic being, it can equally app…[Read more]