Berean…..Jesus angel/ messenger told  John what God told him. That’s who “God” sent tell his servant “John”,   who then took the message to God’s servants in the churches.     Haven’t you noticed what Jesus said after the end of what, he sent John to tell the churches , ” hear what the “Spirit” says unto the Churches,  and again , to those…[Read more]

Berean,   not only “servant” but the “messenger” also,  God sent to “testify” things to us OK.,  I  ask you we are not talking about his  “devinity” now,  I am trying to keep this topic simple for right now. Berean,  so we can all stay focused, and not Jettisoned or turned of in another direction,  rather Jesus was a devine , servant or messenger…[Read more]

Berean,  let’s not rights now descuss the devinity issue, ok we can do that later.  My question is again , by scripture can we establish,  that Jesus is indeed referred to as a “servant” and a “messenger” of God,?,  I would like a solid yes or no answer before we move on.?  I am not saying he not more then that, but is that also,  among other…[Read more]

Berean. ….OK then you do believe he was a “servant”  correct?, now then do you also believe he was God the Fathers “messenger” to all humanity? 

I don’t want to go all over  the place on this subject ok, let’s just stay focused on just a few thing at a time Berean, and I believe everyone here can really get something out of our descussion  were…[Read more]

Carmel……God the Father is not now or ever was Jesus’ servant, you have put He man Jesus higher then  Even God,  himself,  is the not what Paul said the man of sin would be , he would be siting in t h e temple of God being present and worshipped as a God,  that is not ,  “exactly”,  What you are doing with The man Jesus. 2THS2. 

You have t…[Read more]

Carmel,  I did present the scriptures you just didn’t read them, go back to my post #  867752

Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

Proclaimer. …..God is a Spirit, no man can see God and live,  scripture says.  God speaks sometimes “first person” in those he is “in”,  it was not Jesus who said “destory this temple and in three days ,  l ,  (God the Father),  shall raise it up”,  that was God the Father speaking through the mouth of Jesus “first person”.   It wasn’t Jesus wh…[Read more]

Berean,,,, did you notice the word “or” there?,  you see It could refer to Jesus as one thing,  but not the other. That is why it says “or” , it dosen’t say “and” but “or” , yes Jesus is the first of  all of GOD THE Fathers “creation” from “mankind” to inherit the Kingdom of God,  the first to be raised back from the dead to be given eternal life,…[Read more]

BEREAN…..let’s pick this subject up again, everyone can benifit from it  , go back to my post of 867752

Now do you agree that God the Father  called Jesus a Servant of his?

Peace and love to you and yours……..gene

Proclaimer. ……having the devine “nature” “In” us, is not saying we are a Devine “BEING”,  That would mean we are a deity, a God and there for an object of worship.  Jesus had the devine nature “in” him also, but that never made himself, a God, now did it?  

God the Father words  are  SPIRIT AND LIFE, and are directly his own words,  and his…[Read more]

Edj…..we have been through this before, the word freewill there means in Hebrew to ” Volunteer,  there is no word in hebrew as “freewill” in the Hebrew language,  it”s simply a person who out of their own desire does something.  I do believe we have “freedom”  to exercise our desires or Wills,  but that is not talking about how the will “itself”…[Read more]

Berean……you also believe Jesus was making himself to Be God, Right?   So do you and those Jews believe the same thing?  DON’T you also believe Jesus was a deity, a “devine” being?

Why have you backed of on our descussion on the book of Revelations?  Did Proclaimer derail you, or you simple don’t have an answer.

I realize Derean , some of thi…[Read more]

Proclaimer,  but you see i and Jodi,  do love the truth, and we seek it, search for it , ask for it, and have found it,  by the spirit of “truth”  Given me by God the Father,  not by my own  so-called “freewill” choices.  Like you say you have.

Proclaimer I do not reject scriptures, wha  I reject your renditions of them.  Please show me one scri…[Read more]

Proclaimer…..now who is speaking contacts  what he says,  l though you could choose by your  “own” “so-called” “freewill” , how to escape things, seems now your saying you need God’s help,  why is that ?  Can’t you do it yourself , after all God wants you to do it on your own right?,  now who is talking with a forked tounge?  GOD has to do mor…[Read more]

Well one thing is for sure,  you people you all didn’t  agree with each other most of the time.  AT least Jodi and I seem to agree with each other most if not all the time.

Perhaps there is something in that Proclaimer.

Peace and love to you and your………gene

Proclaimer,  first of all you are lying again, or maybe completely forgetful,   I never said we can choose what is influencing us, please post where I ever said that.  I think your “captivated will” is screwing with you a little,  WHAT I SAID WAS YOU WILL ALWAYS CHOSE WHAT IS “INFLUENCING YOU THE “MOST” . 

Now prove me wrong on that if you can. …[Read more]

Proclaimer. ……as far as debunking goes,  your own videos you and Edj, post debunk you, I don’t have to,they do.

Where did I get that idea from, your Will is made up by those influences, without them you would not even have a will to do anything. Common sense 101.  You will alway without exception “do what “influences” you the most.  Why,  do y…[Read more]

So you will agree what is put into or minds causes us to do it, right?,  I would argue that what ever is put in you mind will with enough repetivity “cause you” to do it.  IN TIME OF WAR, it is called “brain washing” ,  nothing “Free” with those minds is there?

Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

Proclaimer. ….Good point, I wonder who here  is ‘truly” led by the Spirit of  truth. , personally I believe Jodi and I are, we  both bare witnesses to the truth, in my opinion,  but you people refuse it,  so we testify against you, you are not of the truth or you would love us and agree with what the Spirit of Truth has revealed unto us.  I am n…[Read more]

Proclaimer. …. correct, you nailed it, that is your “captivated”, will,  at work  doing what your mind is “influencing” it to do.   Nothing “free’ about that is there?

Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene