T8….the difference is when you apply God's Words to yourself you then become a lier and a thief because you robbing God of His Glory and Part of GOD Glory is His words;Why do you think Jesus said in several places the word were not his, because he did not want people to thin k they were His words , that would be stealing from God. Something…[Read more]

T8….Jesus was mentioned from Genesis as the seed of the women Jesus full well knew that he was in the plan of God way before Abraham was born. To make the text say He was born before Abraham existed is Forcing the text T8. Peter said plainly Jesus was (FOREORDAINED). That imply s He did not exist at the time and went on to say BUT was…[Read more]

Oxy…..I don't read scripture with the understanding that Jesus is the one and only word of GOD, I read scripture with the understanding that GOD Spoke (HIS) WORDS through the prophets and in these latter days Spoke (HIS) Words (THROUGH) a Son. It was God's words no one else's that were Spoke. Jesus plainly said the words He spoke were (NOT) HIS,…[Read more]

T8…point is you do not know in what way he was before Abraham, was it in Gods plan or was it he existed as a being. You honestly do not know its pure conjecture on your part. Don't you think Jesus had enough sense to simply say i was alive and existed before Abraham was Born, if that was his point he wanted to make.Why is all your proof texts so…[Read more]

T8….Scholars for thousands of years have not been able to understand all the words of revelations and have made speculations of them. The book was symbolized right at the start and can not be understood without knowing those symbols. I believe that book has never been fully understood so far by any human being. Maybe someone will get all the…[Read more]

Nick….I do support his words, it you who don't understand them that the problem. IMOpeace…….gene

Nick…….All men have not been grafted into that vine. Who said all men have been grafted in. Whats your point Nick.

Nick……Your lack of understanding is your problem not mine or Jodi's we and have explained to you very clearly what Jesus was dealing with in his day when it came to the (PAGAN) Ideology of Demons and Devils and you have not been able to answer any of the things we mentioned which to me shows your total lack of understanding of scriptures…[Read more]

Mandy……i believe the life in Jesus is the Spirit of God in Him and the life in us is that same spirit also, it all comes from one source and that is the Father. WE are called brothers of Christ not dependents of Christ. WE are dependent on the same God and Father Jesus is dependent on for His life. That GOD MAY BE ALL AND IN ALL. This same…[Read more]

LU…..i have farmed for years and still have a vineyard leased out to someone, one thing i know is that the vine and the branches are all made out of the (SAME) wood and that the vine does not give life to the branches but the Water the comes up from the ground and gives life to (BOTH) the vine and Its branches and the vine nor the branches could…[Read more]

T8….I am not denying Jesus existed in the plan and will of God, but to try to makes it mean He was alive as a preexisting being is a presumption on your part, because if Jesus meant that He would simply said I was alive and existed before Abraham as you would have liked it say, but He did not say that did he, so you force the text to conclude…[Read more]

DK…..the genesis account says (HE WILL) bruise the head of the serpent It does not say HE HAS and that HE would COME from the SEED of the WOMAN, Not some preexistence seed, as you would have us believe.He would be SON OF MAN Just as He said He was, Saying the Son of Man cane do (NOTHING) of HIMSELF, Jesus considered Himself a son of man, and…[Read more]

DK…..each thing you brought up can be easily explained, One Your are transposing Jesus for the word wisdom, no where in the text is the word Jesus mentioned. So why force the text to say it then. And Jesus is indeed first born into eternal life from God Creation, remember it says first (BORN) Not created, so what was he (BORN) from, (the…[Read more]

Jodi……Amen sister, as you say,you nailed it. If only these people could realize God hates the idolatrous ideology of devils and demons which has plagued all of Israel and the Gentile world from the beginning of time and still even with the modern science and medical understanding effects “religious” people in our day. If they would read and…[Read more]

Tiffany……..It does not say in what (WAY) he was before Abraham does it, you and T8 are (ASSUMING) Jesus meant He existed as an actual being, but thats not what it says, in fact Jesus was foreordained from the foundations of the world, but was (MANIFESTED) in our time Just as Peter said. God said Jesus would come from His brethren, He did not…[Read more]

Nick……..saying that they did not have the understanding that we now have regarding mental health and there false assumings of these problems as Demons in People is a no brainier everyone knows that or at least should. Let me put this in large letters so you might get it, JESUS DID NOT KNOW EVERYTHING AND NEITHER DID THE APOSTLES. Now as…[Read more]

Nick…… Your only showing your ignorance who or where did i or anyone els say that. Please quite putting words in my and others mouths. Isaac Newton Just Knew the scriptures far better the YOU DO, because He understood what Jesus meant by what He said and it is obvious you do not know what He was saying about demons and devils and Satan. You…[Read more]

Quote (david @ Aug. 20 2008,16:48)Quote For I am Saved BY GRACE and that NOT of MYSELF, and i will never have room to boast the Father has made sure of that.Of course, a persons salvation is unmerited, undeserved, and only by the undeserved kindness or grace of God. We cannot save ourselves. But this does not mean effort is not required on our…[Read more]

Nick………your ignorance of a man of God only shows your lack of understanding, Why don't you read some of what He wrote on subjects of religion as see for yourself if He had great understanding or not instead of Just casting dispersions on a person you have little or no knowledge about. If you were living at the time of Christ would you have…[Read more]

Nick…….It;s not Jesus who did not speak truth it's you not understanding what he meant thats the problem. Where or when did i say Jesus did not speak truth, it you who is saying Jesus didn't mean Peter was indeed a real Satan. And the Pharisees were not really children of the devil, not me because they were children of the devils and the…[Read more]