Mike…………ED J is right, The Father and HIS word are one and the Same , John 1:1, is saying the in the beginning (of all things) was God and the word (intelligent utterance) was with God, and it was GOD. A Word is the very expression of the Mind of GOD or Man. Jesus is not being referenced there at all. God and his word are one and the…[Read more]

ED J…………….I agree with those last three posts, of your. peace and love to you and yours…………………………gene

Isa 1:18…………..Not one scripture say “JESUS PREEXISTED HIS BERTH ON EARTH AS ANY KIND OF BEING” Right? Why have you left out of your list a direct related scripture 2 Peter 1:20-21. Does that throw a damper into you theories of preexistence.? And don't you think John knew how to spell Jesus' name and would just simply written it in John 1:1…[Read more]

EDJ………..I have always said Jesus preexisted (IN) the plan and WILL of GOD, Just as we have , that does not mean we or he existed in any state other then in the Nothing more and nothing Less. Jesus or us did not exist in any form before we were born on earth. IMOpeace and love…………………………gene

Arnold……….Georg or Irene………….Right on, couldn't have said it better myself.Peace and love to you Both………………………….gene

Quote (barley @ July 04 2010,00:34)Quote (RokkaMan @ June 18 2010,21:25)I would like your thoughts on this.I am not trying to tie Jesus as being The Word of God even thought it is expressed in the bible.But is The Word of God…God himself?After i get a bunch of your responses, I'll post a verse explicitely showing WHO The Word of God is, so be…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ July 03 2010,19:44)Faith is taking an honest look at what is and realizing that God has the power to change it into what does not yet exist.  Faith is knowing that because stated those that hunger and thirst for righteousness will obtain that goal that if you hunger and thirst for righteousness you will stop sinning even though…[Read more]

Tim ………..> it does appear everything came from (ONE) God , i do agree with you on that brother.peace and love ……………………….gene

Oxy……….What does this mean then , “Adam the Son of GOD”. Found in the linage of Jesus. What about where it say and the Sons of GOD saw the creation of God and were full of joy. Being a Son of God is not unique to Jesus, What is unique to Jesus is the Fact he is the (FIRST) from mankind to attain unto that status as a Son of GOD. IMO peace…[Read more]

Tim ………..You almost see it brother. The big problem with Man is the fact He (thinks) He is Free to Chose , that was also Adam and Eves down Fall, GOD Did not tell then the could (chose or not Chose to eat of the tree of Knowledge of good and evil) No he commanded them not to eat of it or they would die. They decided by there (INFLUENCED)…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ July 03 2010,11:49)I Peter 1:18 does not speak of Jesus Christ being in existence at the time of the rebellion.  Verse 20 speaks of Jesus Christ being foreordained or more precisely, foreknown before the foundation of this world.  And it speaks that he was made manifest in these last times for you.  God clearly foreknew him, but he…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ July 03 2010,02:45)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 02 2010,10:32)WJ………….I have no personal Beef against you personally, I in fact i respect you in some ways, I believe you are an intelligent Person, But when it come to you Trinitarian Beliefs, yes i totally disagree with them brother but that does not mean i have any…[Read more]

Oxy………Remember where it is written in Joule , God said he would Pour (HIS) Spirit (intellect) upon (ALL) flesh. So it does appear He did send Himself right? Remember Jesus said the Father was (IN) him. You looking at the Father as a Metaphysical being , but He is spirit. ONLY and that is not Physical< He lives (IN) us through His Spirit.…[Read more]

Oxy……….So are the prophets the word of GOD also. Scripture says God spoke to us in times past through the prophets has in these later days spoken to us though a Son. Now which is the word of GOD the Prophets or Jesus, seeing God has (spoken) though Both? Oxy GOD can Speak through anyone He chooses to brother . IMOpeace and love to you and…[Read more]

WJ………….I have no personal Beef against you personally, I in fact i respect you in some ways, I believe you are an intelligent Person, But when it come to you Trinitarian Beliefs, yes i totally disagree with them brother but that does not mean i have any Beef with you personally or KJ Or Isiah 1:18, I believe you are all intelligent.…[Read more]

Ed j ………That is your (big) problem you are forcing the text to fit what it is not really saying, Those who were at Liberty to exercise their OWN WILL” Freely”, does not equal them having a “FREE” WILL (IN) Them. The scripture you are trying to force to mean what it does not mean, Is Ezra telling them if they willing wanted to go up to…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ July 02 2010,17:20)Mike,This is all amnesia fodder,They have been through all this before.It seems that it is true that the TTT, three T's, the 'Desperarians', are only here to keep the forum going by repeating nonesense every few weeks no matter how much they have been 'found out' many, many times over.While they can't be…[Read more]

Quote (JustAskin @ July 02 2010,17:20)Mike,This is all amnesia fodder,They have been through all this before.It seems that it is true that the TTT, three T's, the 'Desperarians', are only here to keep the forum going by repeating nonesense every few weeks no matter how much they have been 'found out' many, many times over.While they can't be…[Read more]

Tim……..I am still waiting for (ONE) Scripture that says we have a “FREE” Will (IN) us. Confusing a Liberty given us to exercise our (captivated) (influenced) Wills as us having a “FREE” WILL operating (IN) us is an error. IMO God plainly said “it is not within a man to direct his paths” it must be placed there, therefore David say direct my…[Read more]

Kerwin………..The mind is a powerful thing, “So a man thinks so he is”. The whole thing comes down to (how) do we overcome is it by our (OWN) Self determination or a New Creation brought about by the Spirit of GOD given to us , Is it by GRACE (God influencing on the heart) or is it the works of Man we should trust in. Does God really take out…[Read more]