Quote (t8 @ July 17 2010,16:12)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 17 2010,03:00)T8………No one is saying we do not have a WILL (IN) Us we are saying that Will Is (NOT) a “FREE” Will, again you are confusing God allowing us Liberty to a point to exercise our Wills as Us having a “FREE” Will in us. that is the only point where are taking about here…[Read more]

Terraricca……….So say you, but you don't even understand that it was GOD who brought all that Evil on Job Not some being you think ios in control of GOD and Job. Read the last part of Job and maybe you might gain so understanding who brought the Evil on Job. And in fact it is your accusation that better fit you Satan you speak of by Far . IMOgene

Chosenone …………They just do not get it brother, they swat at a gnat and swallow a Camel , they simply do not believe the scriptures you have quoted and posted. It is GOD Own word they Hate and refuse to even think about them. Good post brother.peace and love to you and yours………………………….gene

David………Amen to that statement.peace and love……………………..gene

ED J………….O Really and yet not (ONE) Verse that say we all Have a “FREE” WILL (IN) US. It is easy to understand your and Terriccas confusions , you both can't even answer (ONE) simple question Honestly.

EG J………So to you when a man gives a “FREEWILL” OFFERING that equals Him having a FREE WILL (IN) HIM Right , no wounder you can't seem to understand what scripture is saying (lookup the word ) Free Will used there and you will find it means a voluntary offering and Has nothing to Do with the Fact that a man has a “FREE WILL” operating (IN)…[Read more]

ED J…………You proved nothing but your ignorance and lack of any scripture support .You start Here tactics fails again. Because you can't even Produce (ON) Scripture that say we Have a “FREE” WILL (IN) Us no matter how much you try to lie about it and ridicule, you offer not (ONE) Scripture If you have that scripture Please Post Just that…[Read more]

ED J………A Will (IS) an Influenced desire that in it self shows the Will is (NOT FREE in it SELF) Now because GOD allows us (LIBERTY) to exercise that (Driven) WILL. Does not mean that that WILL (IN) Us is FREE in ITSELF. Can't you understand that?. If a parent were to allow his childern to have freedom to run and play in the backyard and…[Read more]

Terricca……….And what you want then to be is not what they say right?God is in control of all thing even Evil and GOOD. it is His world and His creation and i really don't think he is leaving it to anyone else to determine the outcomes. But that is what “FREE” will thinking does it separates you from GOD'S Will and Power it wants you to be…[Read more]

To All……..A big problem in this debate is we tend to think GOD the Father is a (PERSON) and Jesus even presented Him that Way. But remember Jesus also said He talked about GOD the Father through Proverbs, (fictitious illustrations), But a time would come when he would show us plainly the Father. So perhaps much confusion revolves around this…[Read more]

JA………Many claim few are, A claim is only a claim but proof is needed (the fruits of the spirit) not just accusation of others and self aggrandizements. IMOpeace and love……………………gene

Terraricca………..Again see you are a perfect example of what i am talking about, Can't answer a question presented , just spew out some negative or meaningless response , unless the post agrees with you. That is what is the main cause of confusion on this site an inability to be (Specific) when ask a question. IMO.peace and…[Read more]

Mike…………WJ is right on this begotten thing Brother, IMO. Begot is a process of Begetting, and Berth is the bringing forth of that which is begotten or better known as Manifestation of something. Jesus was (FOREORDAINED) but did not exist till he was begotten of the flesh and then later at the Jordan He was Begotten of God and then was Born…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ July 16 2010,14:13)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ July 16 2010,06:51)Need More?, now it you turn to Show me One scriptural that say we all Have a “FREE” WILL (IN) us.Why don't you show me one scripture that says that we have a big toe?Jesus said, “not my will but your will”.At least you understand that Jesus was like us. So it is not hard to…[Read more]

Chosenone……..Amen, Amen, Amen , to that post bother. My hole is that all will come to see and understand this to.peace and love to you and yours…………………gene

ED J………..You are doing exactly what i am talking about, posting all kinds of Scriptures the do not (SPECIFICALLY ) Answer the question put to you . Example…> I ask you and Terricca to produce (ONE) scripture that said ” WE HAVE A “FREE” WILL (IN) US. You both have posted everything but a Scripture that say we have a freewill (IN) Us , You…[Read more]

To All…………All who believe the words of God is not God, I ask this, IS YOUR WORDS YOU OR NOT YOU? UNLESS of course your are (QUOTING) someone else as Jesus and the Prophets were. Jesus said the word He was speaking were (NOT) his words. He also said those word of GOD he was quoting were Spirit and Life. You can not separated GOD the…[Read more]

To All…………..Heb 9:22……> and almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without the Shedding of Blood there is no remission of sins.Paraphased ……..> almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without the shedding of blood (the human body that has life in its body by the blood in it) there is no getting rid…[Read more]

Terraricca…………….Need More?, now it you turn to Show me One scriptural that say we all Have a “FREE” WILL (IN) us. No more diversion trying to divert from the truth, Just produce the scripture (IF)you can. Or you have no leg to stand on no matter how much you try to force the text to meet you dogmas. IMOPeace and love…………………..gene

TO ALL…………..I am going to move subject matter to the confusion of not being specific on subjects. I think this is causing lots of confusion Here as when a person ask a specific question and receives no specific answer, but is diverted into all kinds of directions of subject and even into personal assaults, on Character. When people do…[Read more]