Terrica……….Well now i am an Idiot right, First a Satan , a devil and now an Idiot, What by chance are you may i ask?. Is that what you think about everyone who disagree with you they are all Idiots right? peace and love……………………………….gene

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 22 2010,04:09)Now, here is the very simple question JA.  Col 1:16 says all invisible rulers in heaven were created through Jesus.  Now aside from God Himself who isn't a “creation” and Jesus, who could not logically be said to be created through himself, is there any logical SCRIPTURAL reason for you to insist this d…[Read more]

Shimmer …………I assure you Angels Have bodies and GOD put the Spirits in the Just as we have Bodies and GOD adds Spirits into us. No one can exist outside of a Body as a living being except God Him or IT Self.  People confuse where it say God creates His angels Spirits and sends them forth to minister, thinking that it is talking about GOD…[Read more]

Shimmer……..Death can mean more then to no longer exist. It can mean to no longer exist in that state. Here is an example of what i am saying when a marriage dies the marriage is dissolved but the man and women still are alive. The second death implies that the first death did not eliminate that person right?, or how could he have a second…[Read more]

Adam…………I do agree with your findings of the Immanuel thing. I researched that many years ago with the Jews and we all came to the same conclusion you have posted here, The word used there was a young Maiden not a Virgin, as used in the new testament translations, also Jesus was Never call Emanuel ever. That prophesy was for Ahaz and not…[Read more]

Mike………..It does not say in Jesus' presents does or that he was even there , it say in GOD presents Jesus had this glory . Jesus existed (IN) the BOSOM or (Heart) of the Father he was not really there as a Living being until he was born on earth and dies and resurrected to the Glory that GOD had in the First reserved for HIM as the First…[Read more]

JA………….Mike does not want a truthfull dialog with anyone that disagrees with him as Martian has said, He is only interested in his own dogmas and does not even address you or my posts but simply dismisse them and gos on with his own destorted view of what scripture says . He has yet to produce (ONE SCRIPTURE) Where Jessu or any apostle…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 21 2010,11:55)T8it start to look like Adam his the student of Gene who act as the minister,they always come in pairs,insulting ,tell things we do not say,and the other comes to support the arrogance of the other or vise versa,just look at there few past comments,in all there topics.Pierrethey should be in the unbeliever…[Read more]

T8……..My doctrine does not say we have no control over thing in fact it is just the opposite because what GOD the Father Has (GIVEN) US IS THE WILL AND DESIRE TO OVERCOME JUST AS JESUS DID. But you FREE WILLER'S take that away from GOD and put it into your own Hand by your falsely called “FREE WILLS”. Now let talk here about this scripture…[Read more]

Mike………..First of all i believe Jesus did preexist (IN THE PLAN AND WILL OF GOD) Just as we all Preexisted (IN THE PLAN AND WILL OF GOD). what i do not believe is Jesus or Us preexisted as Living Beings before we were born as flesh and blood being on earth . Just wanted to clarify that. peace and love…………………………gene

Mike………..Problem you using Origins as meaning he existed as a actual being , when it does not say that, it can just as easily mean he was in the Plan and Will of GOD from Ancient times. Notice When Jesus was Showing his disciples about himself he used the scriptures that were written (ABOUT) him , he never said a was alive before he ever…[Read more]

Adam…………..Don't worry about what Pierre says , he opens his mouth and then sticks his food in it. He blurts out something then tries desperately to some how retract or change his words. You are right in what you have said GOD Selects and calls and Justifies all his true Childern now and in the future, it is a WORK of GOD Brother, not of…[Read more]

Terricca…………Your ignorance alway goes before you, and your words of accusations are not of God or Jesus as you suppose they are. In fact it is you who will probably be in the second resurrection seeing you also teach the doctrine that separates us from our Lord and brother Jesus the Christ by moving his exact identity away from us. You…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 19 2010,12:47)Well even with free will, you still need to know what the choices are.Once you are drawn or made conscious of the options, you can still say no.T8………….What you have done here in answering Adam is exactly the problem with Preexistences they alway have some way out of a truthful answer to the point given, So…[Read more]

Mike………….If you want to debate JA on was Jesus always superior, and don't want others to commit on it Just start you own debate with him excluding all others then. But you only ask for your support group to engage to boaster your support of the “CRAP” you start.. Was Jesus alway Superior is a open question to all and those of us who do not…[Read more]

Seekingtruth……….So what are you driving at , what is your point, is Jesus your GOD and Is he And GOD the Father one ans the same person, Did Jesus Create everything himself of Was every thing created for him, Is he an Heir or did he own it all in the first place, did He preexist his berth as a Being of some kind or what?. Running all kinds…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 18 2010,13:41)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 17 2010,01:32)JA…………….I totally agree with you on that. lets see how Mike can override that and keep this going to further is preexistence ideologies going. peace and love…………………………………………………geneGene,I've asked you nicely three times…[Read more]

To ALL…………Jesus has a (BODY) the one he was raised up with. All things that has life (in) it has spirit in it or it could not have life. The problem here is mixing up Spirit (intellect) with (IT) being, a BODY. GOD is Spirit and lives (IN) his creation. Jesus was not lying when he said the Father was (IN) Him. The question is how was he in…[Read more]

Adam……….God's purpose is to save all, its just when that takes place and how, There is only a few chosen now at this time and they will be servants to all the rest and instructors in the ways of GOD in the future and will work to educate all of creation after they are resurected to life again. Gods purpose is to deliver his whole creation…[Read more]

To All………A Spirit does not have a Body it is what is (IN) a Body, Angels Have bodies and GOD put their Spirit (IN) them and sends them out to minister. The concept of Angels not have bodies is false , nothing can exist without a body of some kind, except GOD who lives in and outside His creation and gives it life. If GOD were to retract His…[Read more]