Shimmer ………..Our God is awesome He not only tells us what is right and what is wrong , but He enables us to overcome evil , he empowers us by His Holy Spirit and encourages us by his great mercy and love for us all, we have more going for us then we even began to imagine. Not because who we are but because who He is. IMOpeace and love to you…[Read more]

Adam………let me do some paraphrasing on Mar 9:43…..And if your hand offend (prevent) you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire (intense Judgment) that never shall be quenched: Gods Judgments will never be extinguished ever.Now notice verse 44, it explains why it…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 23 2010,11:37)Quote (gollamudi @ Nov. 23 2010,02:02)Brother Mike thinks that God is like human being who can not know his great-great-great…..great grand children.Hi Adam,What gives?  First, you acknowledge that the NT is loaded with preexistent scriptures – and have even mentioned Micah 5:2.But now, you're changing…[Read more]

To All………..Heb 1:7……..And of the Angel he says, who Makes his Angels (spirits) and his minister a flame of fire. This can be mistaken to mean GOD makes the Angels themselves Spirit beings, but it should be understood as GOD makes the Spirits (intellects) that are (IN) the Angels. This is the way i percieve it to mean. Because Angels…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 23 2010,11:48)Hey Gene,Do you know of a scripture that calls any human “a spirit” in that same sense (or any sense)?We are flesh with spirit in us, but I can't think of any time humans are called “spirits”.On the other hand, Paul clearly and without mincing words says that angels are ministering spirits – not that they are…[Read more]

Shimmer………Show some of the lots of scriptures that say that Shimmer. Fire is a form of Judgment and is used symbolically in scriptures as a form of purification brought about by intense Judgements. “THIS FIERY TRIAL WHICH HAS TRIED YOU AS IF SOME STRANGE THING HAS HAPPENED UNTO YOU”. and again, it says EVERY MANS WORK SHALL BE TRIED BY FIRE…[Read more]

Geroge………… How can the first death be just as deadly as the second death if they are (BOTH) just as deadly then how is a person brought back to life to die again if the First death was Just as deadly. Indeed death is the absent of life, Death is death, no matter if it is a Marriage, or even a friendship, it can be anything that ceases to…[Read more]

Mike………..They are in this sense, they have Bodies, and GOD creates their spirits (IN) them and sends them out to minister to the future Childern of GOD. You read that like you do other scripture , thinking GOD creates His angels as Spirit (BEINGS), but that is not true He creates their Spirits (intellects) IN THEM. So in that sense they are…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ Nov. 23 2010,02:02)The topic of “preexistence” is especially applicable to the book of John; however, it is also applicable to the entire New Testament writings. There is no better example of the tragic breakdown in communicating Jewish writings to the Western world than has occurred with the concept of “preexistence”. The…[Read more]

To All……….Mixing up Spirit with Bodies is a Hugh Problem in Christianity. Most have no idea what spirit really is , Because they envision GOD as a BEING of Some kind. When in fact Go is not a Being at all but a POWER of FORCE that CAUSES EFFECTS (IN) Beings. Even Jesus told the Disciple He spoke about the Father in Proverbial (fictitious…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Nov. 22 2010,09:04)kerwinYou are right, spirit and soul are not the same.Soul is your body, any body, man or beast.Georg…………A soul is the combination of BODY and SPIRIT and that is a (LIVING) SOUL. Adam was first made into a Body and then Spirit was added into that body and then he became a (LIVING) Soul. His soul or Body…[Read more]

To All………..Notice WE. WE, We have to, We Must ,WE Do, WE Chose , We, we we or I, I , I. Seems God is not (really) in the Picture but the WE Must and I Must and the Self WILLED Must and The So called “FREE WILL” MUST. It appears Jesus died in vain, and who need GOD'S Help because it all up the WE'S and the I musts and the “FREE WILLS” of…[Read more]

To All…………..Jesus was not born with two natures no more then we are, He had the exact same nature as we all have in the flesh, He was not a son of GOD until he became a Son at the Jordan river, He was SON OF MAN the same in every way as we are, GOD the Father Perfected Him, He learned obedience to GOD as we all must also. We can become…[Read more]

Mike……….But that again is your problem you never did hear me or anyone else for that matter. IMO peace and love…………………………….gene

Adam……….I do agree that Christan has made Jesus into a God or Demigod or super Angel which they worship and in that are connecting Idolatry> The apostle Paul in his letter to the Thessalonian's Has say that 2 Ths 2, and John also conferred that also by describing those who do not believe Jesus came as a Flesh beings were Antichrists, and…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 22 2010,08:31)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 22 2010,09:40)Shimmer …………I assure you Angels Have bodies and GOD put the Spirits in the Just as we have Bodies and GOD adds Spirits into us. No one can exist outside of a Body as a living being except God Him or IT Self.  Peopl confuse where it say God creates His angels…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 22 2010,09:33)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 22 2010,07:55)You say we have not anwered your (THROUGH CHRIST ) Question when in fact it has be answred many times by me and Martian and JA,I'm sorry Gene,I didn't hear you……….where is the post where JA answered my purple question again?  mikeMike………….Come now you…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 22 2010,09:51)It is Jesus’ glory and not Jesus which John 17:5 states that exists in God’s presence in the beginning just as in my example it is my present and not me that is in my mother’s presence before I am born.Kerwin …………. You have presented it correctly brother. Mike is so egger to force his conclusion he can&#…[Read more]

Mike………..That simply means it was His before he ever was born, He (HAD) It in the Plan and will of God. Trying to force the text is one of your greatest problems here, it is the same problem all Preexistences have which they recieved from the Trinitarians teachings. You need to let it go and maybe God will allow you to see clearly the error…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 22 2010,04:32)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 22 2010,03:36)Mike………..It does not say in Jesus' presents does or that he was even there , it say in GOD presents Jesus had this glory .Hi Gene,Let's see what it really DOES say:John 17:5 NRSVSo now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had in your…[Read more]