Shimmer ………..> in my opinion nothing can exist without a body as a Soul without a body. Spiirt enters Bodies and give it life it is intellect working in bodies it is what keep us alive even in our blood cells it is working to sustain our physical lives and it is Spirit. So we now have Spirit bodies in a sense and these bodies can live…[Read more]

T*…………The point is not are we “FREE” to sell our house , the question is if you decide to what (CAUSED YOU TO) we are not talking about our liberty to exercise our (INFLUENCED) WILLS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT DO WE HAVE OPERATING (in) US A WILL THAT IS IN ITSELF “FREE” that is (NO) all wills are (INFLUENCED WILLS) Or they simply would not be…[Read more]

T8……….The question is what was driving that choice , was it something that was “FREE” Will or (Influenced) Wills. Brother it was (INFLUENCED) WILLS even in the Garden of Eden , Eve's will, to eat of the Knowledge or Good and evil , was an (INFLUENCED) Will, would you not agree with that brother ?peace and…[Read more]

Shimmer………Angel have bodies with GOD given Spirit in them, What JA is saying is partially right , But he is saying Spirit have form and reckons that as a kind of body, i would disagree with that . I believe Spiirt is (intellect) which occupies thing that have form as a Body does. the angels were seen in both Balaam's and Elijah's case when…[Read more]

EDJ , Mike , JA…………………What does this have to do with was Jesus always superior. I do not believe Jesus was ever Superior Himself, except for the fact he was in the Plan and for knowledge as being the First to be Born into the Kingdom of GOD from among Mankind. A preexistent Glory afford Him before the creation of this earth ever…[Read more]

Adam………When i was in the same Church they taught that we would be fully GOD as GOD is GOD and that Jesus is now fully GOD , That GOD was a Family and that we would have the same power as GOD has. I never agreed with that , but i do believe in being part of GOD'S Family they same way Jesus is and there is a relationship of Father and Sons…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 26 2010,14:30)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 26 2010,05:09)But SEPARATIST who are Preexistences and Trinitarians want to separate that from Us, Just as they do Jesus and try to make both something removed from OUR ATTAINMENT AND in that way distort our (EXACT) IDENTITY (WITH) GOD THE FATHER AND JESUS OUR BROTHER. They both not only…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ Nov. 26 2010,18:56)Hi Adam. Have you ever heard of ~ L.Ray.Smith ? He has a forum as well. Gene I think you would like him too maybe. Just google it.Shimmer……….Yes i have read and downloaded much of his tapes, He is in most cases Spot On, IMO, Me and Him belonged to the same church many many years ago, WWCG. He left the…[Read more]

To All………..Spirits (intellects) do (NOT) have bodies they reside (IN) bodies. God creates a Body and then adds Spirit into it, even all creation has spirit (IN) them and it all originated from one Source and that source was and is the LORD GOD himself. IMOpeace and love………………………………….gene

Quote (gollamudi @ Nov. 25 2010,16:41)What are biblical and theological reasons for compatibilism and against incompatibilism?1.  The Bible never says that humans are free in the sense that they are autonomously able to make decisions that are not caused by anything. Libertarian free will is often merely assumed based on common-sense experience…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 22 2010,07:36)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 22 2010,01:41)Mike………..First of all i believe Jesus did preexist (IN THE PLAN AND WILL OF GOD) Just as we all Preexisted (IN THE PLAN AND WILL OF GOD). what i do not believe is Jesus or Us preexisted as Living Beings before we were born as flesh and blood being on earth .…[Read more]

Quote (barley @ Nov. 25 2010,15:40)Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 21 2010,19:14)Pierre,You ask where scripture states the divine righteousness of God is part of his nature?As to the word “nature” the definition is “A spontaneous attitude”.As to the word “divine” the definition is “of, relating to, or proceeding directly from God or a god”.I thus point out…[Read more]

EDJ……….Dump the number thing, you do a lot better without it brother. IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 26 2010,03:42)45If then David calls him 'Lord,' how can he be his son?”What did Jesus mean when he said this?  Kerwin?  Adam?  Gene?mikeMike……….why make a big deal out of David calling Him his lord, David was His brothers lord and His Fathers lord also, in that sense of authority He is Lord of all, (TO THE GLORY OF…[Read more]

Adam and Kerwin……….One thing we need to establish is the Word Messiah . I think this would add some meaning to something being said here, First of all IMO, there have been many Messiahs in the nation of Israel , Moses was a Messiah, Joshuah was a Messiah, the seventy elders were Messiahs , the Judges were Messiahs, the Prophets, King David…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Nov. 24 2010,17:36)Mike Boll,Is Jesus literally “bread” or is he speaking figuratively?If he is not then why would you think he was speaking literally when he said he came down from heaven?He is the bread that feeds those who hunger after righteousness and he came down from heaven because he was sent by God for that purpose.  I…[Read more]

Mike ………….If you would get a Hebrew and Greek interlinear translations and Key in on some of those word that you believe are proof text of Jesus Preexisting as a (BEING) before his berth you might change you mind on many things you have assumed was proofs when in fact they were from Trinitarians who recieved their mindset from the Greek…[Read more]

Quote (gollamudi @ Nov. 24 2010,19:35)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 24 2010,13:43)Quote (gollamudi @ Nov. 23 2010,13:47)I don't agree with you on Micah 5:2Hi Adam,Please explain to me what YOU think Micah 5:2 is saying then.Thanks,mikeHi brother Mike,Here is the trustful translation of Micah 5:2;”And you, Bethlehem Ephratah – you should have been the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 24 2010,13:42)Okay Gene and Adam and Kerwin.You guys slipped past this one because of the starting of the second pre-existence thread.  Let's forget John 17:5 for a second and see how you answer this “bread” point.Mike………Actually it is you who slips past what is being said , an do it by not answering what we post…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Nov. 24 2010,13:05)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Nov. 24 2010,00:32)THAT IS WHY NO MAN HAVE EVER SEEN GOD, He is Pure Spirit and can not (EVER) be seen.Hi Gene,But angels can see God, right?  And in New Jerusalem, His servants will see Him, right?  Revelation 22 NIV3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the L…[Read more]