Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 13 2010,09:45)Hi Gene,I appreciate that you took the time to really address my first point.  That's the only way any of us will get to the bottom of any dispute.  We must both be willing to acknowledge and respond to the other's points.Unfortunately, everything you said boils down to this quote:Quote (Gene Balthrop @ D…[Read more]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 11 2010,04:43)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 09 2010,21:02)WJ………..It is not me calling Jesus or Paul a liar, Show us one scripture where Jesus ever said He was the Rock of anything ,…GenePaul said Jesus was the Christ that followed them in the wilderness and Paul claimed that he received his revelation from…[Read more]

Mike………..Lets just deal with just ONE of you offered proof text right now before we go all over the place trying to scramble things up as you are very good at doing IMO and others also. 1 Cor 15:35……….But some man will say, (HOW) are the (DEAD) raised UP? You fool, that which you sow is not quickened, (brought to life) except (It)…[Read more]

To All…………..”All the Law is fulfilled in one word you shall love you brother as yourself. Love is not a group og LAWS, it is a mind set caused by the effectual working of GOD'S Spirit (IN) our Hearts. It doesn't even matter if you have never ever heard One word of the Law, “for by obedience to the law shall (NO) Flesh be justified before…[Read more]

Quote (karmarie @ Dec. 12 2010,20:56)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2010,13:52)Quote (Shimmer @ 7)So it seems anyone who says Jesus is not still in the flesh is a deceiver according to the Bible.  That is not at all what those scriptures are saying Shimmer.  They are addressed towards those who claim the Messiah had not come at all.  They say no…[Read more]

WJ………….The MYSTERY was (HOW) GOD was (IN) Jesus , or for that matter (HOW) is he in all things and omnipresent . Who even begins to truly Know (HOW) that WORKS no one does only GOD DOES . IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………………………..gene

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2010,02:19)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Dec. 12 2010,01:58)Mike………And what of you scriptural contradictions and dishonest approaches as changing word in the text and forcing them to you personal conclusions as i have just posted to you concerning where you change the text to say flesh and (blood) where Jesus said flesh…[Read more]

To ALL…………..> God is Spirit and give off the light (of intellect) that enlightens every man coming into the world. The spirit if GOD is what life (IS). and he [puts His spirit in his angles who have bodies also as well as Man and all creation that has life in it,as a result it has GOD in it also, or it could not live. Trying to make a…[Read more]

Quote (Tim Kraft @ Dec. 12 2010,00:16)I agree with your truth that the Ten Commandments like the rest of the law, is fulfilled by living in the Spirit.Kerwin…….> i agree with that also brother.peace and love to you and yours……………………..gene

WJ…………You are (exactly) right, Preexsistences are no different then the Trinitarians , even though they “ACT” like they are. Both SEE Jesus as a preexistence being before his earthly berth, Both are on par with the Gnostic's of Paul and John's time all three are SEPARATIST AND SEPARATE JESUS IDENTITY WITH OURS. All three are ANTICHRIST by…[Read more]

MIke…………It is amazing how you can even take a simply sentence like there are Celestial bodies ( meaning heavenly bodies) like the sun and moon and stars, and there are Terrestrial (meaning “Terra” or earth) bodies and get so screw up over that simple statement, with anyone having spirit “BODIES”. you have not shown ONE Scripture the…[Read more]

Mike………And what of you scriptural contradictions and dishonest approaches as changing word in the text and forcing them to you personal conclusions as i have just posted to you concerning where you change the text to say flesh and (blood) where Jesus said flesh and (Bone), You present yourself as a hypocrite accusing others what you yourself…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 12 2010,01:17)JA, can you BRIEFLY and DIRECTLY answer this point?Paul said there are earthly bodies and heavenly spiritual bodies.  He said that as WAS Adam, so ARE those of earth.  And as IS Jesus, so ARE those of heaven.I don't see “so WILL BE those of heaven once the rest are raised”……….do you?    So doesn't it…[Read more]

JA……………..Spirit is what is the LIFE of a BODY, it animates it , there is no such thing as a Spirit Body as you wrongly infer there is only Spirit (IN) bodies , Jesus had a Body with Spirit (IN) it and GOD added HIS SEVEN SPIRITS into it also and cohabited with Jesus on the earth or do you not believe GOD WAS TRULY (IN) JESUS as he said…[Read more]

Karmarie…………….Very good site for anyone who does not believe Jesus was resurrected in a Body and Still has that body he was raised with. I agree with most all of what they said concerning the Body not bing a “Spirit body” But a Glorified Body with Spirit (IN) It. The rest of Jesus raising himself up i do not agree with however and the…[Read more]

To All…………I started a thread ounce on what Spirit (IS) maybe we all need to revisit it and get that clear first> Spirit is no a body not now or ever was , it is what is (IN) Bodies. In flesh and blood bodies and any other kind of bodies GOd has created to have life (IN) it. If it has Life It has Spirit (IN) IT> or it could not have any…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 11 2010,10:52) If God is in “the Kingdom of God”, then Jesus can't possibly still be flesh.  Because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God, Shimmer.  And because Jesus is where God is right now.  So either Jesus is NOT flesh anymore, or God and Jesus are NOT in “the Kingdom of God”.  MIke……..Where did Jesu…[Read more]

JA………….Lets deal with this scripture. Like 24: 39……> Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. This was after his resurrection right, So it appears Jesus was (NOT) a SPIRIT BEING RIGHT> And when he spoke of his return he said when the SON OF MAN…[Read more]

MIke…………….Post where it say Angels (ARE) “SPIRITS” then Same applies to you as JA. I believe Angels have bodies with SPIRIT (IN) Then JUST like WE DO. Because it say GOD Created His Angles (SPIRITS) does not mean they a(ARE THEMSELVES) SPIRITS BUT they Have SPIRITS (INTELLECTS) (IN) them created BY GOD. That is the way I see it anyway.…[Read more]

JA…………Please Show us where any Scripture say Angels do (not) have Bodies then. Would like to see that would greately help in this debate. Because they can appear or disappear as Jesus did with his body does not mean Angels do not have bodies all the time. It may be Just we can't always see there bodies like the lad with Elijah the Prophet,…[Read more]