Quote (Baker @ Jan. 24 2011,20:41)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 24 2011,09:04)Georg scripture us those word a lot, and they translate the in 30-100, different ways, so maybe you need to study them more and think about how they are used more and then maybe you can begin to see how they can and (ARE) misapplied. IMOpeace and love…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Jan. 25 2011,03:01)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 25 2011,01:18)Georg……………SO, Were also not in the Plan and will of GOD , Just as Jesus was right, “FOR WHOM HE FOREKNEW HE ALSO PREDESTINED TO BE MADE INTO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON” , it ALSO SAY JESUS WAS SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH, but was he literally slain from the…[Read more]

Irene……….O really then just produce one where Jesus said He Preexisted His Berth on earth as any kind of “BEING”. And don't try to force the text as you always do to say what you (THINK) it means. No Just one scripture where Jesus ever said he was ALIVE AS SOME KIND OF “BEING” before his berth on earth, and let not use the word “Before” in…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Dec. 17 2010,04:24)Adam!  You deny Jesus being our Savior, because He is not the Jewish messiah?  Are you out of your mind…. The Jews killed Him, and they will do anything to change the Torah like it is today to ease their concision.  You are not a Christian at all.  I will pray for you, you need itr……Peace Ire…[Read more]

Kerwin………..What they don't understand,  the (IT) is still a BODY, not some unseen immaterial substance of any kind the (IT) is not Spirit but has Spirit (IN) IT.  Spirit(UAL) does NOT means SPIRIT, but spirit driven. They just can't understand it Kerwin. IMOpeace and love…………………………………………..gene

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2011,13:30)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 24 2011,09:17)but all i have ever read and studied show ELOHIM as a PLURAL EXPRESSION OF A SINGULAR  GOD.Like I said, go read the debate………at least MY posts.  Did you know Nebuchadnezzar was called the “KINGS of kings”?  The first plural word “KINGS”, exactly like elohim, de…[Read more]

Georg……………SO, Were also not in the Plan and will of GOD , Just as Jesus was right, “FOR WHOM HE FOREKNEW HE ALSO PREDESTINED TO BE MADE INTO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON” , it ALSO SAY JESUS WAS SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH, but was he literally slain from the foundation of the earth or does that mean he was in the foreordained plan…[Read more]

To All……….Here is some food for thought. Jesus said you must be born of SPIRIT (AND) WATER, right?, Well one thing about water is that it is a Body and can exist as a (invisible gas) a visible liquid or a Hard solid Ice. And as i recall learning many years ago that all Life forms have water in them. Also we are told that an unclean spirit…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 23 2011,13:23)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 23 2011,03:08)MIke………….Go do a Search on the WORD ELOHIM and you will find it is a PLURAL WORDHi Gene,I have a better idea.  Why don't YOU go and read my posts in the “Plural God” debate I had with Jack a few months ago.  I researched diligently and as a result have p…[Read more]

Georg scripture us those word a lot, and they translate the in 30-100, different ways, so maybe you need to study them more and think about how they are used more and then maybe you can begin to see how they can and (ARE) misapplied. IMOpeace and love …………………….Gene

MIke…………So according to your logic, the was Eve a Human being , or how about Adam was He a Human being , so if you can except that as so why can't you accept Jesus as being a PURE HUMAN BEING ALSO. Where is all you try to force the text to imply, did Jesus even begin to say he was not of Human origins that he ever existed as any kind of…[Read more]

Kerwin…………..Jesus and the Thief were dead on “that” ( Day) they both went to a grave, the thief is still there the only one raised from the grave and is still alive is Jesus and He became again a living Soul , A Spirit + a BODY = A SOUL , the thief is not a living soul yet and won't be until he receives a new body at the resurrection and…[Read more]

To All………..A parable can not be taken literally. It must be TRANSLATED into what it's implied meanings, NO PARABLE is LITERAL. Is the word of God (LITERAL SEED) no it is not, is sowing tares in a field Literal , is seeking the Lost Sheep literial, is water springing up in a person unto life Literal, is a Lamb slain from the foundations of…[Read more]

MIke………….Go do a Search on the WORD ELOHIM and you will find it is a PLURAL WORD. God consists of SEVEN DISTINCT SPIRITS (INTELLECTS) these are the seven Spirit (intellects) of one GOD. Just as you are a Plural being right, you have arms and legs eyes hands ears , but that all equals ONE Being YOU> Can you begin to see GOD also has seven…[Read more]

Mike……………..NO (PHYSICAL MATTER) of any KIND can enter (INTO) the (KINGDOM OF GOD) it (THE KINGDOM OF GOD) must enter into us. “the kingdom of God comes not with “OBSERVATION” IT IS (WITHIN) YOU”. YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BECAUSE IT IS SPIRITUAL IT IS NOT PHYSICAL. ALL PHYSICAL life BEINGS HAVE SPIRITS IN THEM THESE SPIRITS (are) who they are,…[Read more]

Kerwin………..The PARABLE of the rich man and Lazarus is a PARABLE, which is a (FICTITIOUS ILLUSTRATION). It can not be taken LITERAL. IMO peace and love………………………………..gene

Adam……….Also on the hearts of the Gentile as well as Israel, all done by the HAND of GOD, Not by the TORAH. That was Paul's ONLY point Adam.peace and love to you Adam………………………………….gene

MIke……….The difference is You do believe in some of the same things about Jesus as the Trinitarians do by your own admission , You do believe Jesus Preexisted his berth on earth that same as they do , not with standing you believe He was a Morphed angel or some kind of demigod. and they believe he was a God, So i not that far of in aliening…[Read more]

EDJ……….Go to bible truths.com and read what Ray Smith has on Hell Fire it is very good, i think you will find it very enlighten, He was a pastor in the wwcog I used to belong to i agree with much of what he has to say, many could learn a lot here from him. IMOpeace and love to you and your……………………………………gene

EDJ…………I believe all who follow the Basic teachings of the GNOSTIC'S are Antichrists, and that basic teaching is a teaching that SEPARATES JESUS FOR OUR LIKENESS. All trinitarian teachings as well as preexistence teachings result from those Gnostic teachings and all make Jesus something different then we are, they are Separatist and that…[Read more]