Mike……………But you can say the Us and OUR is Jesus Right, Look up any Hebrew explanation the word Elohim and it is a PLURAL FORM representing ONE GOD. That is not my interpretation of the Word Elohim Mike. Her is a more simple understanding for you, If i had a gun a revolver and it had seven distinct chambers that held seven different…[Read more]

Mike……..Another good source is Sir Issac Newtons teachings on religion. and if you can get the book “OUT OF THE FLAMES” the story of Michael Servetus who was burned to death by the murder John Calvin, the supposed great Protestant reformer . Bulinger is also another good source as well as Thomas Jefferson view on religion. I believe these…[Read more]

Mike………….. Mike it's not on the HN site just type it in on the Internet and he will come up. Read what Denck had to say on religion he was a great German religious teacher and Scholar I agree with much of what he said , there always was a few who did not buy into the false teachings of the Gnostic's and Trinitarians and Preexistences , but…[Read more]

TheodoreJ………..Indeed God and His words are on and the same, and Jesus certainely Had God the Father (IN) Him as he said he did. But none of that makes Jesus the creator of anything, He is unique in this sense he was the (first) from man kind to be raised unto eternal life and has the glory and honor of the first born of man brothers and…[Read more]

Mike………….Wrong again, they were the king of the kings in there day or at that time. No where doe that imply they were plural kings. What has that got to do with the word Elohim? We are told by Jesus that there is only ONE TRUE GOD, remember “THOU ART THE (ONLY) TRUE GOD”. And again “while the gods many , but to us there is ONLY ONE GOD”.…[Read more]

Mike……….Type in this name and read what he said and see what you think………………DENCKpeace and love………………………………..gene

To All………Key word begotten, drives it meaning from coming into existence , not being morphed into a different entity as the False teachings of the preexistences teach. Jeses neve rsaid he previsely existed as any kind of being what so ever, My advice is to not buy into the false teachings of the trinitarians and the Preexistences they are…[Read more]

To All………..Again Spirits do NOT have Bodies they are what is (IN) Bodies, Spirit in its simplest terms is best understood as (INTELLECTS) that exist (IN) Bodies. So indeed we should try the Spirits to see if they are from GOD, when Jesus said the words he spoke were spirit and life indeed they were and remember a Word is (intelligent…[Read more]

To All………..The Big Question regarding Preexistence is this, What Profit would it be to GOD or Man, if God MORPHED a past existing BRING OF ANY KIND and passed him off as a human being, that would be deceptive on GOD'S Part and would prove nothing to man kind as regarding a Perfect Human Being if in fact that person was not (TRULY) a Human…[Read more]

Mike……….Don't follow you logic here, and Yes King Nebuchadnezzar was indeed king of earthly kings, was not the image Daniel saw the head was the King of Babylonian and all earthly Kingdoms after him were less and less in power and stature. He was the head of Gold in the vision Daniel saw right so he in that sense was the King of Kings on the…[Read more]

theodoreJ………Exactly what all Trinitarians believe as they are the one who most put forth the false teaching of Preexistence of all religions, they recieved it from the Gnostic's who also taught that same thing Jesus preexisted his berth, as some sort of “BERING” OR GOD OR SUPER ANGEL OR DEMIGOD. All false Christianity believes in Jesus'…[Read more]

Irene……….No point discussing any thing with you all this has bee discussed before and evidently you were not paying attention to what was said or Posted and by just reposting the same thing goes not where, You just continue to believe the way your do OK, and i and others will continue to believe the way we do , if you believe Jesus…[Read more]

Georg………..EVERYTHING was ONLY a THOUGHT IN THE MIND OF GOD before it EXISTED. What is so hard to understand about that? Do you think everything was just a crap shoot?  Some brainless God floating around on a cloud with no hand in what he creates no fore thought about what he is doing. Have you reduced you GOD to that?gene

Georg……….. The GLORY Jesus had with the FATHER before the World was, was already prepared for him before he ever was born into existence what is so hard for you to understand about that. He was (FOREORDAINED) (but) WAS (MANIFESTED) IN OUR TIME SAID PETER. Get it?. Tell me this Georg, what does this mean to you. “FOR WHAT IS MAN THAT SO…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 25 2011,12:16)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 25 2011,02:26)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Jan. 24 2011,13:30)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Jan. 24 2011,09:17)but all i have ever read and studied show ELOHIM as a PLURAL EXPRESSION OF A SINGULAR  GOD.Like I said, go read the debate………at least MY posts.  Did you know Nebuchadnezzar was c…[Read more]

Mike………..Jesus was the fulfillment of what GOD had Planed all along for MANKIND , Everything in creation was for this purpose, it was for the specific purpose God made (ALL) things in the earthly creation it was for that very purpose. Just look up the word in the concordance and it will tell you what those word truly are referring to. Take…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Jan. 25 2011,13:04)Gene!  And I have another question for you!   Who is this talking about in this ScriptureRev 19:13   And he clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.   Rev 19:14   And the armies in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.   Rev 19:15…[Read more]

Quote (Baker @ Jan. 25 2011,11:19)Quote (Baker @ Jan. 24 2011,20:56)You insist that Jesus did not exist, prior to his birth as a human.You, and others, claim that HE was only a “thought” in God's mind, in God's plan; explain to me then what was Jesus asking his Father when he said this?Jhn 17:4   I have glorified thee on the earth: I have…[Read more]

Adam………… If anyone see Jesus as not a normal human being coming into existence by his berth from humanity as a pure human being, Just like Moses , John the Baptist , Jeremiah the prophet they do not see GOD'S work (IN) perfecting Humanity, they have bought into those false teachings, out of one side of their mouth they cry we are not like…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Jan. 21 2011,18:02)In the beginning was the Logos and the Logos was WITH God.The Logos became flesh and we know that Jesus CAME in the flesh.To further clarify, it states in scripture that God made all things through Jesus Christ and for him, just in case you didn't think that Jesus was the Logos that was with God in the beginning.Now…[Read more]