T8…….> When Paul wrote that, Jesus did not exist on earth any longer, but he “HAD” “EXISTED” (past tense) on earth with the nature of GOD, BEFORE he ascended, GET IT?. Paul was not addressing any “PRIOR” earth existence at all, he was talking about his Past (EARTH) EXISTENCE> Paul was showing them what Jesus was like when he (EXISTED) ON…[Read more]

T8………> simple question, what time was Paul talking about ? , was it before he came as you say to earth, or while he was on earth. Which one was it T8, if you say while he was on earth that would be right , because Paul was not talking about any Pre-earth existence. Now do we exist with the Nature of God In us also (converted Christians)…[Read more]

Mike……..Again you misquote scripture by leaving out points that may disagree with you. It does not say Sin was already (IN) MAN now does it?, as a Inherited condition would imply. It Say, “sin entered into “THE WORLD”, Through ADAM, No where does it say that people “INHERITED SIN”, People do not inherit sin they become sinners they are not…[Read more]

Adam………You are right because sin is sin and we all have a propensity to sin, because we are exposed to it in this earth at a very young and impressionable age. John said, “ALL THAT IS IN THE WORLD THE LUST OF THE EYES AND THE LUST OF THE FLESH AND THE PRIDE OF LIFE ARE (FROM) THE WORLD. And even if Adam introduced it into the world, still…[Read more]

To All…….This thread is about dying with Christ, and what does that mean to us, lets try to stay on subject please. what does it mean to DIE (WITH) CHRIST. To me that means we must put our WILLS to (DEATH) NOW, just as Jesus did HIS WILL> And (DO) the WILL of GOD. “FOR THE SON OF “MAN” CAME NOT TO DO HIS WILL BUT THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT HIM”,…[Read more]

To All……….WE are NOW being JUDGED , because Judgment begins at the House of God.  If we sin willfully after we come into the knowledge of GOD and recieved forgiveness for our sins , the sacrifice of Christ will not cover them any longer, we inter into Judgment and recieve (NOW) intense Judgment (FIRE) That will work to purge out the sine in…[Read more]

Mike……….So sin entered into the World through Adam, what does that have to do with Us inheriting any sin (FROM) ADAM?> peace and love………………………………….gene

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 12 2011,13:32)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 10 2011,14:21)Quote (942767 @ Feb. 09 2011,13:51)The scripture states that he did not make himself any reputation because of his God given authority, but he became like any other ordinary man and humbled himself and obeyed God even unto death on the cross.Hi Marty,The scripture ACTUALLY…[Read more]

To all……….So when Jesus said “IF THY EYE OFFEND (PREVENT) you cast it from you for it is better for you to enter into the kingdom of GOD with one eye then to be cast into the Fire (NOW), where the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched (put out)> Here is my take on this, i believe we are cast into the Fire (NOW) if we do not remove…[Read more]

Kerwin ………What i believe you have right is that we are (NOW) expected to BECOME and get rid of ALL Sin and this is accomplished by putting our Wills to death as Jesus did His will. Also i want to know what you think about being cast into FIRE (NOW) Not “LATER” for our (converted Christians) Present SINS. Is what Jesus said regarding being…[Read more]

Shimmer ………Good post, but i would replace the Angel thing with Spirit but either way it follows the same line Sis.peace and love……………………………………….gene

EDJ…………That willful expression has nothing to do with a FREE will. But that is on another thread not this one. (EXACTLY) what it means to die with CHRIST, are we (NOW) Expected to walk PERFECTLY in EVER thing we do. And if we don't then WHAT Takes PLACE?. Think about it and come back and give us you opinions. Stay focused on this, (dying…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 08 2011,16:05)Romans 6:1-18:(NIV) 1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried w…[Read more]

EDJ………….Not sure of your point here, But i will say GOD is Spirit and can be in us ALL, Just as he was (IN) Jesus. And that mind if one of Love and does not exalt it self as Jesus plainly showed us. It creates in us a new nature the nature of GOD himslef and Jesus never emptied himself of that nature ever or ever will IMO> Paul was…[Read more]

MIke…………..Wrong, Jesus was a son of ADAM and as i recall he did not sin, But see how your confusion causes you not to even believe Jesus was the Son of Adam and Yet without sin. Mike it say sin entered into the WORLD through ADAM, it does not say we inherited any sin from ADAM, that is you conjecture of what is being said, while sin did…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 08 2011,12:53)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 07 2011,16:15)for instance if i were a general of a large army , could i empty myself of the and take on the role of a common solider,Yes Gene,But that only proves MY point.  WHEN was Jesus “the General” before he emptied himself to become a common foot soldier?WHEN, Gene?And I'm…[Read more]

Adam………..When God made a Covenant with Abraham as i recall he had him kill a animal and separate its parts in tow two lines and he walked up and down between those parts and said this blood was the sign that sealed the covenant he made with Abraham. Now my point is this, God can make a covenant without sacrificing himself as he did with…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 07 2011,14:00)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 07 2011,08:06)Okay Marty.  But still that doesn't answer my point.  You can not “empty yourself” if you were never “full”, right?You can not “make yourself of no reputation” if you didn't already have a reputation to start with.Word it however you like, but the fact remains that one can not “…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 07 2011,13:58)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 04 2011,02:42)Marty……..You have it right Jesus did (NOT) PREEXIST His berth on earth as a sentential being of any kind, he existed only in the Plan and Will of GOD,Besides your own understanding, show us a scripture that says that he existed (only in the mind of God).T8……..Show us…[Read more]

Mike………..Again twisting of scriptures , when it say all have sinned , that is (NOT) the (SAME) as saying all have “INHERITED SIN”. Each person shall give account for himself and what he has done it this life , he can not use a cop out and say , it was not my fault after all i (INHERITED SIN) that would make GOD and Unjust GOD. The only…[Read more]