They simply do not want to believe it because it shakes their false foundation they have built all their hopes on, Paladin………Do you see how they discredit the truth of What you have brought out in the GREEK Language to support there assumptions. This is an example of “UNLESS THE LORD SHALL BUILD THE HOUSE THE WEARY BUILDER TOIL IN VAIN”. It…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 25 2011,08:47)mikeMissed it a mile Mike. I do not believe the scriptures teach a pre-existant Jesus for several scriptural reason;1) Who did he pre-exist as? He was not God: God says he is a singular person being and a singular being deity ; that there is no othher God bveside him ; No God after him ; No God beside him ; No…[Read more]

Mike……….That is absurd , Jesus was not a son of man until he became a son of Man. That is what you also so with your preexistence teachings, you are assuming things that are not truly being Specifically said as 99% of all Christendom does. You need to try to listen to what Paladin and Marty are saying brother even if you don't care to…[Read more]

Mike………No i don't I think it s an aspect of all our Natures that we must overcome as Jesus did. It is a created Spirit of GOD , that abides in all creation. You use it all the time and so does everyone else also, it can save our lives as much as destory it. If this adversarial Spirit (INTELLECT) is working against GOD it can destory us , if…[Read more]

942767………Marty you have it right brother., what is becoming very interesting here is how the line is being drawn between two types of Minds, one believes Jesus did not pre-exist his berth on earth as a sentinel Being, and started his life as a human being just like were all did, and the other believes he did pre-exist his life on earth as a…[Read more]

Wispring…………I do understand that, i know word explain what we are thinking, However to separate them is not necessarily right IMO, because words themselves (ARE) expression of our Thoughts and they are SPIRIT and life according to Jesus. they can not be separated from the individual, they can be transmitted from individual to individual,…[Read more]

Shimmer…………You have brought out a very interesting Scripture, John 16:33, begs this question ? Why should we be of good cheer , because “Jesus” has overcome the world. In what (WAY) does that relate to us?, in order for US “to be of good cheer”. This could be a whole thread in itself. IMOpeace and love to you and yours…[Read more]

JA…………I disagree with you on this, Jesus is NOT a SPIRIT, Jesus is a MAN who has SPIRIT (IN) HIM. He has all the “SEVEN SPIRITS” OF GOD (in) him. Your perception of Spirit is Flawed IMO. Spirit does not have a body nor can be made into a body now or ever, (IT) simply exists (IN) bodies. In ours also and when a person dies the Spirit that…[Read more]

Paladin………..Have you ever considered that where is says “flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God” and where is say Neither does corruption inherit incorruption , that is relating to any type of physical existence. Let me explain what i am saying , flesh and blood is relating to a Physical or material existence, so it would be like…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 23 2011,00:18)To me it is not a matter of “contradictions” in scripture. There are only contradictions between scripture and doctrines.When that happens, doctrines have to yield every time. That is why folks who get their understanidng from the new testament will not go to the old testament for understanding. It is kinda…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ April 22 2011,22:47)Peace and Love IreneAnd then there's this: “8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men 9 Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above…[Read more]

Mike…………The third was the Adversarial Spirit working in them both. That was the same spirit that was working in PETER, Judas < and the Pharisees, or don't you truly believe the Pharisees were the childern of the Adversary (devil or satans) as Jesus said they were. So now Mike in what way were they His childern . Did a Satan "BEING" go have…[Read more]

Kerwin………….The confusion (IS) caused by applying the Simple Word Spirit to more then one definitions to me, that is what is causing the confusion. That is why i started a thread a while back asking for a “SIMPLE” overall understanding what Spirit meant, and I believe it all came to be a Spirit is simply an intellect that can be expressed…[Read more]

Wispering………..I tend to still think GOD and His Word are one and the same thing, while Reema can be a type of activity involved by the LOGOS, that does make sense, But i can see a problem with this also, that being that we can began to think Jesus is the Logos himself as the trinitarians and preexistences do. When i read Let Christ be in…[Read more]

Wispering……….Notice Jesus said the word he was telling us are spirit  and life he did not say they were spirit but said they are spirit,  now a word is defined simply as  intelligent utterance, another words a sound the transmits intelligence from one person to another.  We all have Spirits or intellects in us, but it may or may not be…[Read more]

To All………….A SPIRIT DOE NOT HAVE A BODY IT IS WHAT IS (IN) A BODY. How simple and most here can't even get that straight. Jesus is NOT a SPIRIT “BODY”, Jesus has a Spirit(ual) Body The is to say a “BODY” THAT IS BEING KEPT ALIVE BY SPIRIT THAT IS (IN ) IT. Jesus clearly said after his resurrection that a Spirit does not have a “flesh…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 15 2011,13:50)So, much like the Trinni's, YOUR doctrine can also be torn down by your own words, for you MUST add the word “IN” for your doctrine to work.Gene, I suggest you bone up on what John 1:1 really says.  It speaks of TWO who are called theos.  One of them is called THE theos, and the other is a theos who was with…[Read more]

To All……….Jesus said if a man looks upon a women (a married women) to lust after her , he has committed Adultery with her in his Heart. I put the words (married )in there because it would not be Adultery if the women was not married. the word adultery means breaking of Covenant, it has nothing to do with lust except to the degree it…[Read more]

Mike………..Here is another side note, You have stated that Jesus is the LOGOS many times right? , So then please tell was who was (IN) Him reconciling the World unto HIMSELF> Was that Jesus (IN) Jesus doing that because he was the LOGOS, or was the FATHER who is the LOGOS and Was the LOGOS, in the beginning was In him doing the WORKS. DO you…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ April 15 2011,12:31)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 15 2011,18:28)Quote (terraricca @ April 15 2011,09:40)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ April 15 2011,15:00)Terriccia……….You original scriptures are inspired by GOD , but those who interpret them may not necessarily be. Another thing no where doe it say the five wise were waiting for…[Read more]