Quote (942767 @ May 09 2011,13:03)Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 09 2011,11:39)Quote (942767 @ May 08 2011,17:30)Perhaps the following scriptures will help us to understand what is meant by the word “firstborn” in the above posted scriptures:  Rom 8:29   For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate conformed to the image of his Son, that he m…[Read more]

Mike……..Does that include your “Mystical Satan Being” is he and angel sent forth from God also. Mike “God Creates His” (now follow this please) ANGEL'S SPIRITS another word their (intellects), “and sends them out to minister unto the Saints”. another word he puts those thoughts and intellects in his angel's this is not saying his angels…[Read more]

Tim……….Yes all who go against the LOGOS or CHRISTOS are anti- CHRISTOS'S, it is quite simple, only MYSTERY RELIGIONS have confused the truth of God. IMOpeace and love to you and yours Tim……………………………gene

Mike…….What Paladin is saying is right brother, you and some others here are indoctrinated into a form of MYSTERY RELIGION i believe you are sincere but you are sincerely wrong brother. Time is short please take another look at these things and drop thise false teaching that so many Trinitarians and Preexistences are caught up in while there…[Read more]

Terricca………………What does all these scriptures have to do with what you are trying to prove? Just quoting hundreds of scriptures doesn't prove anything especially if they are not subject related. It is like rambling on and saying nothing. Try to be specific to your points brother. IMOpeace and love to you and yours Pierre…[Read more]

To All………….The examination of the incarnation doctrine , stands like this Jesus the man did not preexist his berth , he was a man, GOD had from the start of creation Prophesied to be born from a women He came into existence at his berth on earth, GOD put his LOGOS in Him at the JORDAN River and from that time forth he (GOD) was…[Read more]

To All………We are drifting completely off subject here people. This subject is do spirits have bodies. I maintain the do not have bodies but are what is in bodies, Spirit it the cognate ability to percieve things All spirit (intellect) comes from GOD and returns when we die. It is absolutely crucial that a container be reconstructed (a…[Read more]

To All……………If a person does not know what Spirit is , how could he or she possible know what the Spirit of Antichrist is ?Spirit is (INTELLECT) derived from a cognate understanding in the mind. The Spiirt of Antichrist is the intellect that speaks against who and what Christ (the anointing was and is)> The Logos came and dwelt (IN)…[Read more]

Paladin………I have brought out before about Jesus telling his Apostles they were not of this World just as he was not for this world and they were from above also.  What Generally happens when these things are brought out is people just ignore them, and go right on as if they were never presented. WJ has done that with what you have put forth…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 06 2011,12:25)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2011,02:06)Hi AllTo deny the preexistence of Jesus is to deny a very basic fundamental truth. There are way to many scriptures that one has to explain away or give some ethereal interpretation to the text when it is obvious a litteral interpretation of the text is what is meant by…[Read more]

Irene………your mixing up who wrote that it was not Marty but me. And i did not say calling a Ship a Bird, i said calling a ship a She, that does not make the ship a she now does it, and you husband calling you honey does not make you a piece of honey now does it, these are just descriptors of some kind, but never the real thing. That is my…[Read more]

To all……………. You have presented many aspects of Love but what is the bottom line of Love. Love and Hate, love saves hate kills. “God so loved the world he gave his uniquely begotten son that whosoever believes on him should not parish”. All who call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. Love holds on to, while hate rejects. That is…[Read more]

Mike……….No scripture say Jesus was originally made any different then we are. that is an assumption on your part. When you refer to Paul saying Jesus (EXISTED) a past tense expression, what you are failing to realize He was talking about Jesus Past earthly existence not some assumed before earth existence as you believe Mike. Mike…[Read more]

Marty………Right being called something does not necessarily mean your are that. For example a airplane is called a Bird, a ship is call a she, men call their wives honey, some men are called a slug because the are so slow, Mike once gave and example of a man being called the kings word, but anyone would know he was not actually the kings…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 05 2011,09:22)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 05 2011,00:58)God used his power to construct Jesus' DNA in Mary. The word Conceive simply means brought into a state of existence,Hi Gene.So do you believe then, that Jesus was born of a virgin? That his conception was different than most? By the POWER of God not man. So he was…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 04 2011,11:39)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 03 2011,09:24)But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels Notice Mike it is the same words as used for all of mankind in the above scripture in verse 7,  Do you see any difference between those two scriptures I don't. Hi Gene,Can “was made a little lower than the…[Read more]

Shimmer…………..So was Man conceived (brought into existence) by the Holy Spirit. was not Adam conceived by GOD, He is called the son of GOD, Is GOD Not Holy and if he is Holy then holy spirit brought Adam forth right?. Conceived of Holy Spirit simply is saying Jesus was Physically put together in the womb of Mary and has nothing to do with…[Read more]

JA………..Spirit is NOT a Person, it is Spirit (INTELLECT) or and (IT)and when (IT) is in a specifically created BODY then (IT) is a person or a Loving Soul. IMOAs far as Angels Go They do have bodies and their Spirits in them are placed there by GOD and they are sent out to do his work. JA a body can be seen or not seen it depends the light…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 02 2011,02:46)The scripture doesn't really say that Jesus “became superior” to the angels, as if he wasn't already.  It says he became AS MUCH SUPERIOR to them as the new name he inherited is superior to theirs.  Mike……..Here is something to think about, follow this all the way through Nike.Heb 2:6……> But one in a…[Read more]

WJ………..Nothing in creation did not come into existence without the Pre-knowledge and pre-planning of GOD, rather Angeles or Man, or any life forms that exist. show us one scripture in all the bible that say differently. Jesus was just as Peter said < He was foreordained (BUT) was Manifested(brought into existence in our time. The same as…[Read more]