Quote (Paladin @ May 22 2011,10:18)…God is spirit…How can you separate God-spirit from the spirit of God?You can'tYet, God can, “I will pour forth of my spirit upon all flesh” he said in Joel 2:28, and Acts 2 tells us “this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel, “I will pour forth of my spirit upon all flesh.Paladin……….That is my…[Read more]

JA………Who was Jacob wrestling with , was it a real angelic person with physical attributes or an illusion of his mind. This angel seems to have done real damage to his thigh. And when Elijah as God to open the eyes of the lad he saw real being fighting on the saw of Israel did he not. I know God can cause a vision in our minds of thing that…[Read more]

Paladin………Brother……..Thanks for the post to Mike explaining the Logos personified in the Flesh man Jesus i agree with that , but here is my understanding , A Logos or WORD can only exist (IN) the Mind of a person right? So we must ask, HOW does that WORD Exist (IN) the mind of that person?, was it by reading it , or by Spirit…[Read more]

Quote (shimmer @ May 21 2011,22:05)a leader of blind ones, a light of those in darkness, an instructor of foolish ones, a teacher of babes, having the form of the knowledge and of the truth. – Rom 2:19 traitors, heady, lofty, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God, having a form of piety, and its power having denied; and from these be turning…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 21 2011,20:54)Mike,I note that you only choose to define 'Form' in the Physical sense.Is there a reason for this?You well know that FORM also is defined as:3)  The Essence of something as distinguished from it's matter.4)  The way or mode of which a thing exists, acts, or manifests itself.5)  Kind, or type of a thing.Now, wh…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ May 20 2011,17:23)Like the words in a song.  “Love lift us up where we belong. Where the eagles fly.”I can certainly understand that.Wispring…….very good incite brother. The love of God shed around in our heart Does “lift us up, where we belong where the Eagles Fly',beautiful analogy brother.peace and love to you and…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ May 20 2011,19:43)So there was nothing Physical about the Spirit that caused you to change but the ethereal force that was the Spirit – the Spirit of Change and Revelation.What can anyone do to a true person by physicallness – nothing – they can even kill the body but not the Spirit: They can damage or change the body but cannot…[Read more]

Irene………I was referencing nothing about firstborn regarding what is said , do you see the word Firstborn anywhere there, i was referencing about Preexistence only, the Trinitarians believe Jesus preexisted his berth on earth the Gnostic's also did and I do believe you do also right? So that would make all of you preexistences right? That…[Read more]

T8……….I do believe Jesus, it's your misunderstanding of what Jesus was meaning there thats the problem Brother. The issue was, the Pharisees were using Abraham as a place of their position with GOD and Jesus was telling them he Was in Place before Abraham was. Brother why can't you understand that?. Jesus was not talking about his Berth or…[Read more]

Paladin………..Brother i see some difference between your explanation and my understanding of Logos, First i don't see where the Logos and GOD are different, God is said to be Spirit and Spirit is what we recieve to conform to GOD. sending a Word (Logos) means nothing as word can or can not produce anything IMO. But Spirit goes beyond words it…[Read more]

Wispring……….That was God the FATHER Speaking Directly through Jesus' Mouth. That was not Jesus Speaking that. It was GOD who would have gathered Israel and protected them, if they were only willing. IMOpeace and love to you and yours………………………………gene

To All………….The beginning of the Creation of GOD in Rev 3:14……Is referencing Jesus as the Beginning of GOD'S Created Son from among Men in the Kingdom of GOD, Jesus was the First one or the beginning of this creation, this scripture has nothing to do with any prior existence of Jesus before his berth on earth. God Created Adam and He…[Read more]

David…………I believe Wings are symbolic metaphors for what lifts someone up. It is not a literial lifting by a physical wing, but a spiritual (intellect) lifting the mental awareness. Notice the wings of the four living creatures around the throne of GOD , notice they have eyes in them , the eyes are the spirits of God that work in a way…[Read more]

Marty………They add to scriptures all the time , insert word that are not even mention in scriptures to there dogmas and false teachings. I have said that time and time again. Notice I ask a simple question to Mike , Why did not John simply say Jesus if that is what he meant in John 1:1, and look at what he call an answer. And they do not truly…[Read more]

Mike…………Let sake you then , What does ” IN THE BEGINNING” MEANS TO YOU , the definite article is “specific” IS IT NOT ? to which specific beginning is (ALL) referencing if not ALL Creation of ALL things. Let's start there first. To me this means GOD'S Word which (WAS) GOD, a past association referencing GOD and HIS WORD which are one…[Read more]

Irene………….So much posting and not a Single “Specific” text saying “JESUS PREEXISTED HIS BERTH ON THIS EARTH” as a sentinel being of any kind. Pooling hundreds if not thousands of scriptures and forcing them to say what they in fact do not say, is exactly what your fellow preexistence trinitarians do and what the founders of those false…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ May 17 2011,12:50)Quote (Baker @ April 14 2011,09:47)I just can't for the world understand to ignore all these Scriptures, and either reason them away, or ignore them all together….For the same reason an Atheist can look up to the heavens and say there is no God.At the end of the day, it is not about proof or proof verses, but what…[Read more]

JA……….I believe Sprites are typified as groups, for insistence there are clean and unclean spirits, There is a Spirit of a sound mind spoken there are SEVEN SPIRITS of GOD also spoken of, Follow what i am saying ? These spirits are forces that cause thoughts and therefor move us in directions , they are the powers of the Mind. Remember…[Read more]

To All………..Firstborn , can not be used as a proof text , of preexistence of Jesus because it can just as much mean a Position as Scripture has shown in some places. It can also mean a firstborn person this way, and Jesus is the Firstborn of all creation (INTO) the Kingdom of GOD. The “first of MANY Brethern”, as scripture says. When we try…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ April 04 2011,14:37)Hi folks,   “Lord” is just a title. Thought everyone knew that. I won't debate it. It's a fact. Here are some scriptures that state God has a soul.Quote Isaiah 1:14 (King James Version) 14Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.Quote Jeremiah…[Read more]