JA………..You have it right, a Living Soul = a Body + Spirit (in) it, nothing more nothing less. Spirit is not a body it is what is (IN) a body. A human being consists of a Body plus Spirit (intellect). God can destory a living Soul by separating the Spirit he gave from the body and the man no longer exists for ever unless God recreates a Body…[Read more]

Quote (Wispring @ June 12 2011,16:38)Hi WJ,   Quote Ha Ha! You deride me for committing a “logical fallacy” and yet you attempt to make the argument that ATR was a Baptist and indoctrinated therefore that means his Greek is biased. Do you see the irony of your claim? Paladin said…”What else would you expect from a trinitarian grammari…[Read more]

Kerwin………I also believe Jesus was raised in a flesh and bone body just as he said he was. peace and love…………………………………..gene

Marty………….you have it right, stand firm , Someone here said that Preexistences are half trinitarians and i would say they are 90 % trinitarians, the only difference is they do not believe Jesus was a GOD who preexisted as the trinitarians do, but look at all the rest of ther beliefs and compare them.Preexistences believe                  …[Read more]

T8……..The Logos IS the very expression of GOD and His words are with him. Where God is His words are there, That was not the man Jesus at all, but GOD the Father that WAS (IN) Jesus. God's Word was With GOD and was God and Is GOD, God's Words are Spirit it is the very intelligent expression of GOD himself. This Logos came to be (IN) Jesus…[Read more]

Rena……….”THAT GOD MAY BE ALL AND IN ALL”, and again, “THAT GOD AMY BE IN ALL AND THOUGH ALL” Simply put God lives in his creation by way of his LOGOS given by a CHRISTOS (anointing) to his called out servants, God is a Spirit and lives vicariously (IN) his Creation. IMOpeace and love to you and yours……………………….gene

Quote (t8 @ June 15 2011,20:43)Quote (942767 @ June 15 2011,12:25)And so, the Logos pertains to Jesus, but he is not the Logos.OK.So you are saying that God literally made all through the Logos BUT symbolically through Jesus. Yet both scriptures pretty much say the same thing. How is it that you can add this condition externally to one and not the…[Read more]

Quote (Rena @ June 15 2011,09:13)John 14:16 – I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, that he may be with you forever, — the Spirit of truth, whom the world can't receive; for it doesn't see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.John 14:18 – I will not leave you orphans. I will…[Read more]

Marty………You have it right brother , they just do not understand that GOd calles things before it ever takes place and he glorify thing befor they ever come into existence. He prophecies  and them creates it and them glorifies it. As in the case of Man, ” what is man that thou art so mindful of him and cares for him for thou has created him…[Read more]

Kerwin………You are right there is a Flesh body in the resurrection and it will contain spirit (in) it. And as a result be a living Soul again. The problem here is they do not understand what spirit IS. or they would knew there exists no such thing as a Spirit BODY> there is a “spiritual body” but not a Spirit Body. Jesus plainly said that “a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 05 2011,05:46)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 02 2011,09:34)What part of this you don't understand OR believe,  “THE SON OF MAN CAN DO NOTHING OF HIMSELF, THE FATHER WHO IS IN ME (HE) DOTH THE WORKS”,  you don't seem to see that God was truly (IN) Jesus and spoke to him and through Him first person.Gene,I don't share your v…[Read more]

Mike ………..All thing that have life (IN) them exist with Bodies except GOD, because all creation is what he LIVES (IN). Jesus said GOD is (A) SPIRIT. The word (A) TYPES the Spirit Jesus mentioned. God is a PARTICULAR TYPE of SPIRIT and He or IT contains SEVEN Specific (TYPES) of Spirits as mentioned in Revelations and Jesus Has these In Him…[Read more]

T8……….Lets say you are (NOW) a partaker of the Divine Nature as all Christians should be able to say right? Now say you died and someone later were to say (ABOUT) You, though t8 existed with the divine Nature of GOD , he made himself of no reputation but took upon himself the nature of a man or servant , He did not seek (because he had the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 02 2011,21:25)Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2011,20:05)So if Jesus came forth from God even as John came forth from God then it follows that in the same way Jesus sent his apostles into the world even as he states in verse18, chapter 17 of John.  He also states in verse 14 that the apostles are not of the world.But if Jesus is…[Read more]

Paladin……….Good Post, You have brought out some interesting points i have fully considered before brother.Peace and love to you and yours brother…………………………………….gene

Quote (kerwin @ June 02 2011,20:05)Quote (kerwin @ June 01 2011,11:22)To all,I agree that the man in John 9:30-33 stated that Jesus was of God becausehe believed Jesus was a man of God, attested through his righteous miracles.I do not state that that all miracles are testimony of that the one they are performed through is from God because God…[Read more]

Marty………….You have a good Point Brother, i do see what you are saying and agree with it. I just believe the Holy Spirit Produces that mind, not just words because if words could do it then Jesus would not have said it has not been given them to understand,the things of the Kingdom of GOD. And He would not has said “NO MAN “CAN” COME UNTO…[Read more]

Paladin……….Would like to know your understanding of what the word (became) in Greek means, it is my understanding that word should be rendered as (came to be) so to me the Logos who to me is and was GOD the FATHER (came to be) (IN) Jesus by way of the anointing He recieved. To me it is impossible for a “WORD” which is the expression of…[Read more]

JA……………I agree brother. Spirits do not have bodies they are what is (IN) bodies. Spirits are cognate forces which drives our intellects and all of them derive there source from one GOD, both Good and Evil Spirits do, and because GOD can switch and replace them at will , he can save all by changing the spirits working in us all. “…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ May 28 2011,10:40)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 28 2011,01:09)Quote (Paladin @ May 27 2011,09:12)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ May 27 2011,01:56)To All…………..God who (IS) and (WAS) the logos are one and the same  and   the (IS) and (WAS) made His appearance (IN) the Flesh of Jesus by way of the CHRISTOS. Why cant we SEE what Thomas s…[Read more]