Quote (Istari @ June 26 2011,13:15)Yet, “For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality.” -1 Corinthians 15:53″THIS PERSIHABLE BODY…” becomes “The IMPERISHABLE BODY” and the “MORTAL BODY” becomes “IMMORTAL” (Is the SPIRIT NOT ALREADY IMMORTAL?)Scriptures clearly states that it is the BODY…[Read more]

Quote (Istari @ June 25 2011,07:04)Further more, he tells of Gene yet is saying exactly the same as Gene (They are both wrong concerning Spirits in Heaven. Their arguments centre around HUMAN Spirits ONLY)Istari…….. Spirit is Spirit no matter where it is in Heave or in the earth. Again for the hundredth time Spirit is not flesh or a being it…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 23 2011,15:32)Hi Kerwin,This discussion started because you sided with Gene that angels aren't “spirits” like the scripture says.  But I'm here to tell you that God is a Spirit AND a Being, therefore a Spirit Being.  Same with angels and demons.God's Holy Spirit is not a being, but a part of the Being of God.My spirit is n…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 23 2011,17:37)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 17 2011,06:37)T8……..The Logos IS the very expression of GOD and His words are with him.If that is the case, then is it not possible in your thinking that the Logos was given birth or at some stage was WITH God? Because if that was possible, then God making everything through Christ as…[Read more]

Kerwin ……….. You have it right, Root (of) a person (MEANS) a decedent from that person.. The word Root and Offspring is in the same sentence and subject matter of what Jesus was saying. Only in bizarre world do people separate it to mean something it is not saying. The word ROOT is used to show linage , just as Offs[ring is. King Davis came…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ June 22 2011,15:17)Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 22 2011,08:47)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 21 2011,07:10)Mike…………..Kind of like you and your root and offspring of David thing right,  So i would not be so hard on the trinitarians when you preexistence are doing the same thing right?.peace and…[Read more]

T8………Lets be honest there is hardly any difference between Preexistences and Trinitarians , they bothbelieve in the Preexistence of Jesus before he came to this earth. you o nlyissue with them is that Jesus was a preexisting GOd as they believe, and nothing else IMO. All Preexistences have their beginnings in the doctrine of the trinity and…[Read more]

Mike…………..Kind of like you and your root and offspring of David thing right, So i would not be so hard on the trinitarians when you preexistence are doing the same thing right?.peace and love……………………………gene

Kerwin…………Istari is right about this brother. IMO Mike gandy dances all around and then accuse other of not know what they are talking about. I said to Mike along ago, ” a novice should not teach”  It only causes endless confusions. In case you don't know what a Gandy dancer is , it is a Iron ball or shoe on the ends of a dirt packer and…[Read more]

Mike……….the one in bizzaro land here is trinitarians and  and their brothers the Preexistences. So in your bizarro world the Word was FLESH right, tell us are your words Flesh too, or do they come from within a flesh being “YOU”> The Glory Jesus was given existed in the Plan and will of GOD way before he ever existed as any kind of being.…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 20 2011,17:10)An unfortunate outcome spawned by the Trinity Doctrine.T8………..So is the PREEXISTENCE DOCTRINE spawned by the TRINITY and GNOSTIC”S. You don't seem to have a problem with that brother do you? Is it because you have only come part way out of there false teaching and yet need to come all the way out?T8 …..the…[Read more]

Mike…………….There are over 20,000 Grammatical error in the king James according to a Scholar named Mills and many additions to the text according to many other scholars, If you ever get time read the book “Misquoting Jesus” by a modern Scholar Erichman you might begin to see them in the text. Please don't post here that you go by the…[Read more]

Mike ………..Jesus had that glory alright but he never received it until He was raised from the dead and NOW (HAS) THAT GLORY.  Produce Any Just one Scripture that illustrates any Glory of a Preexistence Jesus or Super being who you say was Morphed in the man Jesus.  Their is not one is there Mike. Have you ever wonder why? Not only that but s…[Read more]

Quote (Ed J @ June 20 2011,00:51)Hi Gene,And that ties in to what I said exactly how?God blessEd Jhttp://www.holycitybiblecode.orgEd j……….I was not saying disputing your post i was just agreeing with Paladin that 1 or 2 % of changing the text can make a difference in the overall meanings. That all i was committing on brother.peace and…[Read more]

Mike…………..Your ignorance of the simple logic here is so obvious, so again i will see if these repeat will help you.Lets try this ……………….Was Jesus the root of Jesse as Isiah (AND) Paul said he was. Now first get that into you brain, now after that has found a place in your mind then use your God given mind and think about this…[Read more]

Mike…………..Jesus was not talking about (another) body he was talking about (HIS) Body. And he said it clearly “A SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE FLESH AND BONE” (That is A BODY< "AS YOU SEE (I) HAVE". What part of that you don't understand , it is so clear, why do you continue to twist up scripture to meet your dogmas? Fact is you have not idea…[Read more]

Ed j……….No i don't believe Jesus preexisted His berth on earth, I was just showing Mike how the preexistences and Trinitarians beliefs were the same thing in many ways. I absolutely ( DO NOT) believe Jesus was alive before his berth on earth, He was only in the Plan and foreknowledge of GOD. His glory was a predestined Glory and he never had…[Read more]

Mike………..As i said before trinitarians and Preexistences and Gnostic's are all in the same boat they all serve to SEPARATE Jesus from our exact Identity, as a born into existence at his berth human being , who God perfected and raised from the dead to eternal life , the first MAN from mankind to achieve that goal, the first of of many …[Read more]

Mike…………So Do you believe Jesus was from the root of Jesse or not?, and if you don't believe prove it, and also was David not come from the root of Jesse also, so SIMPLE COMMON SENSE WOULD TELL YOU IF JESSE WAS FROM THE ROOT OF JESSE AND SO WAS DAVID AND THIS TIES INTO JESUS AS SCRIPTURE SAY IT DOES THAT JESUS IS THE ROOT AND OFFSPRING…[Read more]

Ed j……….Paladin is correct in his post above it only takes 1 or 2.54 as he said to totally change the meaning of scriptures, i believe his point and example was quite accurate brother.peace and love to you and yours………………………………………..gene