Quote (Istari @ July 01 2011,18:40)Ah Mikeybolls,What trash are you dragging up now…The Does not qualify anything you said. They are opinions from others.You did a poll – what did it achieve – nothing except that more people voted than take part – strange – why do they not participate?EDJ says you give a weird definition of 'Body'. Why?Why is…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ July 01 2011,13:48)Do a word check in the KJV for “manifest”, Gene.  See how many times that word is used to describe something that NEVER EXISTED BEFORE.The word refers to something that DOES exist being made so that WE can now see that thing that already DID exist.  Such as an invisible angel being made manifest to us – w…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2011,12:07)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 29 2011,08:34)Mike……….All your post is full of holes , first Why would Jesus be FOREORDAINED if he already existed, Why would he be manifested (brought into existence) if he already existed,Well Gene,It seems we've discovered a BIG PART of your misunderstanding.  You seem to…[Read more]

Paladin………You have accurately produced the truth of this scripture brother. We know Jesus had his glory afforded him before he ever came into existence and this glory is exactly what he was speaking about, by saying the Glory I had with you before the world began. But when people have a preconceived Idea of a Preexistence Jesus they apply…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2011,13:10)Quote (942767 @ June 29 2011,20:08)Hi Mike:You say: “Jesus could have had a soul prior to his birth into this world since God and angels have souls”.  There is only “One God” and Men and angels are created beings”.  The breath of God makes them living souls.There is no scripture that states that Jesus had a s…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 30 2011,10:15)Quote (Ed J @ June 30 2011,07:27)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 29 2011,01:44)“Jacob have I Loved , Esau have I hated”, notice both are past tense statements, this required a past association before they were ever physically born. Hi Gene,Does this statement mean that you believe we all pre-existed?God blessEd J…[Read more]

Quote (Lightenup @ June 30 2011,12:40)Quote (WorshippingJesus @ June 29 2011,17:25)Quote (Lightenup @ June 29 2011,16:41)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 29 2011,10:59)Irene……….Doe this mean anything to you……..1 John 3:2……> Beloved now are we the sons of God , and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 30 2011,10:36)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 29 2011,09:59)Irene……….Doe this mean anything to you……..1 John 3:2……> Beloved now are we the sons of God , and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.Now tell me what part…[Read more]

Irene……….Doe this mean anything to you……..1 John 3:2……> Beloved now are we the sons of God , and it does not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.Now tell me what part of that “SEPARATES US FROM Jesus' EXACT IDENTITY “. SO WHY ARE YOU…[Read more]

To All………1 Peter 1:3…..> Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy has begotten us (AGAIN) unto a lively hope (HOW)?> BY THE RESURRECTION  of Jesus Christ (FROM THE DEAD). Now where does it say there that Jesus was Morphed back into a former preexistence life state, in fact it say our…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 29 2011,15:12)Gene,I asked you a question about why you used different words in your statement about Cyrus.  Will you please address my question?As far as Jesus being foreordained………..so what?  What point so you think that makes for you?  We may at some point find out that before the earth was founded, God fo…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ June 28 2011,09:21)The point I was making WJ, is that God still creates us, even though we come from our mother. Who else created us?Our mother is the channel so to speak. She is the one who we are created through.I would have thought that you wouldn't need a scripture for that because it was self-evident.Or maybe I got the wrong end…[Read more]

Mike………if there is no resurrection of a Body then your faith is in vain because Jesus no longer lives, Paul plainly said that. Our hope is in the resurrection of our bodies exact DNA as Istari brought out. You can not exist without a Body as a “living Soul” again after you die unless God reconstructs another exact same DNA body and add…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ June 27 2011,02:39)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ June 26 2011,08:31)Mike………..Your perverted view of scriptures are on your side, as with all Trinitarians and Preexistences , you all can't understand that God the Glory of GOD can exist with a person before they are born , just as King Cyrus's glory existed for him before he was…[Read more]

T8……..Lets not get caught up in stupid dialog brother about each other OK, that is what the rest of the preexistences and Trinitarians and ignorant men do.  Yes you do know my response but for other sake here it is. Isa 44:23….> Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that (makes) all things;…[Read more]

Ed j……….Good point and it is the truth , GOD did SPEAK in times past (THROUGH) the Prophets, Just as He SPOKE Later (THROUGH) a Son JESUS, He also can and has at time Spoken THROUGH us also brother. IMOPeace and love to you and yours Ed j………………………………gene

To All…….No Spirit is a Body it is what is (IN) Bodies (IT) has NO BODY OF IT'S OWN. (IT) ANIMATES BODIES> Spirit is useless without a BODY to exist (IN)> (IT) has not rest. God lives vicariously (IN) and (THROUGH) His CREATION. “That God may be (IN) ALL and (TROUGH) ALL. peace and love to you all…………………………………gene

Quote (t8 @ June 27 2011,09:28)It says that THE Word was WITH THE God.It was with him.Later the Word is identified as Christ.And later again it says that God created all THROUGH Christ.When you look at the big picture of all scriptures pertaining to the mystery of Christ, your view seems to contradict too many verses in scripture.T8……… It…[Read more]

T8……….Why no answer to my post on page 87, hope you are rethinking your position on this point . The Logos was and is always with GOD the Father it is as much part of Him as your words are part of you and alway will be part of you. Now if the Spirit (intellect) that gives you those perceptions is in me them i will also percieve them the way…[Read more]

Mike………..Your perverted view of scriptures are on your side, as with all Trinitarians and Preexistences , you all can't understand that God the Glory of GOD can exist with a person before they are born , just as King Cyrus's glory existed for him before he was ever born and many others including Man in general also have Glory that exists for…[Read more]