MIke…………I am going to slow this down a little……….Let focus on the Prophesy of Jesse…….Now who was the root of Jesse?, you seem to imply Jesse was Jesus' root, bit scripture shows it the other way around Jesus was the root of Jesse.Isa 11:1………> And there shall come forth a rod (OUT OF the STEM OF JESSE) and a (BRANCH SHALL…[Read more]

Quote (Paladin @ Aug. 13 2011,23:06)So Jesus on the cross is the bronze serpent on the pole that heals the venum of that serpent Satan. It certainly works as Jesus used that comparison.As you and Ed both are aware, the people had to react to the serpent of brass. Just acknowledgeing its presence was insufficient to undo the effects of the serpent…[Read more]

David……….Getting the Kingdom of Jesus and the Kingdom of GOD confused can create problems , The Kingdom of GOD is within you , the Kingdom of Jesus is a Physical Kingdom and begins upon his return. But at the end of His reign he turns it over to God the Father as a spiritual kingdom that will be (IN) All and (through) ALL> IMOpeace and…[Read more]

Terricca…………Please notice how you separated Jesus from our Exact Identity, You said “do you have seen and understood Christ LOVE for his Father our God and his?The reason i am bringing this out Pierre is because it show a mind Set you and other “preexistences Have” which is brought about by the false teachings by Trinitarians and…[Read more]

Marty……..YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, no scripture say Jesus was the first ever created being or any thing like that dealing with the past creation of God on this earth In fact God said He created every thing “ALONE” and BY HIMSELF>  You would think they would eventually come to understand GOD was Not dealing what any Past existent Person But…[Read more]

Mike ….. I agree Gen 3:15 dose not teach anything about a PRE-EXISTENT Jesus. There is  another point we need to agree on, and that is the Word Seed,  Before moving on. Genesis tell us that God made all things with “SEED” after it KIND. Not from some other Kind but (IT'S) Kind. But what you are asking us to believe is that Jesus was NOT as S…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 10 2011,12:26)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 09 2011,07:00)MIke…………….lets start, here is the First,  Gen 3:15…..> And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; it SHALL (future tense) , bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel. Now mike who is this speaking of is it…[Read more]

MIke…………….lets start, here is the First,  Gen 3:15…..> And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; it SHALL (future tense) , bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel. Now mike who is this speaking of is it not Jesus and does it say that the enmity already exists or SHALL (in the future…[Read more]

Kerwin………..You have it right, they just can't seem to understand that God was truly (IN) Jesus. Jesus' Lordship was given him before he ever existed and He knew that, but the Pharisees did not realize it, but King David did, that is why David said ” THE LORD SAID UNTO MY LORD SIT ON MY RIGHT (UNTIL) (I) MAKE YOUR ENEMIES YOUR FOOTSTOOL”.…[Read more]

Terricca…………Show us a scripture that says it (the kingdom of God) can not indwell a flash and blood body then. Jesus seem to think it could , “for the kingdom of God comes not with observation it is “with in” YOU , my my, seen you have another Mystery Religious dilemma you preexistences have created by saying flesh and blood can not go…[Read more]

Mike………….Go look up the meaning of the Word OF, you will find it means from[/B , and as far as the word “TROUGH” goes i have shown you before that word is translated in about 70 different way in scriptures. And you disregard scriptures where GOD Said He “ALONE” and BY “HIMSELF” created every thing. Again you preexistences have disregarded…[Read more]

Mike……….Nothing “fishy” about it , Jesus just told them that Spirit do not have flesh and bone bodies as he HAD. If you understood from other examples of spirits Jesus gave them, Like when an unclean spirit leave a man (IT) GOES ABOUT IN arid PLACE LOOKING FOR “REST” another words a “BODY” to rest (IN), them you would understand that a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Aug. 07 2011,09:41)Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 06 2011,14:49)Mike,I merely wish to establish that flesh and blood can enter heaven to counter some who state scripture declares it cannot.Then find yourself a scripture that clearly says flesh CAN enter heaven……………not one that is at best a “maybe”.  Quote (kerwin @ Aug. 06…[Read more]

Mike………..Why not tell us where it does? first if you can. Firstborn as explained very clearly to you by many in the bible can mean “first in position” , so why should you “assume” it mean firstborn as a sentinel being when the context was not talking about the Beginning of the Physical creation of GOD so why “ASSUME” THEN, when there is no…[Read more]

Kerwin………..Right on brother, they are the blind leading the blind and they are all in a ditch and don't even know it. Twisting , and forcing the text to meet they dogmas and false teachings. IMOpeace and love ………………………………………………….gene

MIke…………If the Apostles Knew all this as you seem to think they did , Then why did Jesus Need to teach them any thing , Was it not becasue they were Ignorant of those thing and why did Jesus have to take them aside and explain to them the Parables he was teaching, if becasue they were chosen by God they did not need to be taught , It was…[Read more]

To All…………Preexistences have a Preconceived mind about Jesus preexistence so they simply force the text to conform to their “ PRECONCEIVED BELIEF SYSTEMS Even if it means ignoring all the other scriptures that clearly show them wrong> IMOpeace and love to you all……………………………………..gene

Quote (t8 @ Aug. 06 2011,12:34)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Aug. 06 2011,00:58)Kerwin…………You have it right. But “PREEXISTENCES” can't see nor understand that becasue they have shut their minds to that possibilityWhat you call “PREEXISTENCES” is really just people with faith who believe verses like this:”Who, being in very nature God, did not…[Read more]

Mike……..The only Idiot Name caller here seem to be you. No one else is calling people names I notice. I agree with KJ and Paladin, Marty, Kerwin, also , You or no one else has produced ONE Scripture Identifying Jesus as a firstborn of “ALL CREATION” from a preexistence past point of view as the first being born into existence status.…[Read more]

Mike………….Not only your Mothers LIFE but your Fathers, brothers and sisters and and your (LIFE ALSO)> It is obvious you do not “HATE” their lives and YOUR LIFE “ALSO',  So because you don't are your “really a disciple of Jesus” it appears your are NOT, according to your own words.  IMOpeace and l…[Read more]