Mike……….That was the LOGOS that said that to John (it )  would descend and remain on Jesus or don't you believe John and GOD when John quoted GOD saying he who  you see the Spirit descend on this is he who is the one.  That Spirit descended like a dove and remained on Jesus that was the HOLY Spirit or LOGOS of the LIVING GOD and (IT) sent Je…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Dec. 06 2011,09:06)To the Greeks, the term Logos was used to describe the agency by which God created physical things. In short the Logos was thought of as a bridge between the transcendent God and the physical realm.I take it that you agree with the above and not what is below, so please quote that which is speculation below.Is it…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 06 2011,09:59)geneQuote Pierre………..There are SEVEN of these ATTRIBUTES that compose one GOD who because he is Spirit can live (IN) and outside of US. When God takes residence in us we are then considered Temples of the Living GOD. Remember Paul said that “Know you not that your bodies (ARE) the temple of the Living…[Read more]

Mike…………Fact is they are all part of ONE CAR, and if he fixed the transmission and lights he fixed the Car them. Mike, fact is a Soul is a Complete being and it can and does “die” as soon as you stop breathing, it light out, I have posted the scriptures that show this is completely true , “there is no work, no wisdom, no thoughts,” no more…[Read more]

Mike……….Sorry you reject your ties with Trinitarians and consider it a Put Down, But Fact is they Believe in a Preexistent Jesus, and so do you. In fact The “original” source of this Preexistent thing came with the Gnostic's and from there came the Trinitarians and from there came the rest of the Preexistences . You need to also remember…[Read more]

Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 05 2011,17:22)Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 05 2011,23:58)Quote (terraricca @ Dec. 05 2011,12:29)geneQuote Yahweh is the HE Who is composed of all seven of those (IT'S)and the POWER that GOES with Them.  Making Him the one and “Only “TRUE” GOD”. I did not know this ,could you supply the scriptures to back it up PierreHi…[Read more]

T8……> Man is also made in the IMAGE of GOD, your above, post starts off right and then drifts into speculations, Jesus did indeed bring us the Word of GOD > HOW? Because (IT) the LOGOS which was GOD was (IN) Him. remember “the Father (IN ME) (He) does the works”< and in this way the Logs became Flesh (IN) Jesus. When are you going to see that…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 05 2011,01:41)Okay guys……………once again from the top!  1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.So far, the only subject mentioned is “the Word”.2 He was with God in the beginning.We know that the pronoun “He” must refer back to “the Word”, because “the Word” is the only…[Read more]

Mike……….I have never said you T8 and Pierre (ARE) Trinitarians , what i said is you have also “LIKE” They do a PREEXISTENCE view of Jesus Doctrine. I full well know you are not believers in Jesus being a Preexistent “GOD” , but that does not preclude you from Beliving Jesus Preexisted as they also do. In fact they also believe God created…[Read more]

Mike………….I absolutely believe his words but it's your trinitarians Preexistent rational i don't believe . Your failure to understand scriptures have been tweaked to force a wrong perception of Jesus > You asked why we want to ONLY Speak of Jesus' Humanity. Because what would a “MORPHED” Being have to do with us anyway, what example would…[Read more]

Mike………The both refer to a past by the word jumped .peace and love…………………………………………….gene

Mike……….. They are all parts of our existence, If i said, transmission , lights and car were all good that does not mean i am saying there are three separate parts of the Car i am referring to now does it? Transmission and lights are Parts of ONE CAR> Paul was simply saying our whole being which is and Includes our Bodies. also notice He…[Read more]

Edj………..> i think they are referring to Rev 19:13. One thing i have noticed is that where you see the WORD of GOD written you also see “AND THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS” , i noticed it will say ' the Word of God (And) the “testimony” of Jesus Christ. Notice they are separated from each other. Interesting.peace and love to you and…[Read more]

Pierre………………….It can't be true in both cases or Jesus would be GOD, Because remember we have still the “Original Testament” that say GOD alone and by himself created everything. What i have just quoted in the above Post agree with that. There may be another possibility , and that could be that Col 1:14-16 was referencing the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 04 2011,03:23)Yes Gene,We are in agreement.  In fact, all of us pre-existers believe all of the scriptures that speak of Jesus being born and growing up human.  The difference lies in the fact that you non-preexisters ONLY believe those scriptures, and ignore the many other scriptures that say:  YES, Jesus was a human be…[Read more]

Quote (seekingtruth @ Dec. 04 2011,04:26)Gene,Your correct in that it is the whole of scripture that determines truth, but it is the “hints” of the various verses that lead us to the truth in the whole. So what is your take on the scripture that Mike has asked about?WmSeekingtruth………What Mike has done was take a Scripture and apply it to…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 04 2011,07:35)And that's your choice, Ed.  Just like you are the only person I know who disputes that Jesus is the Word of God in Revelation, you are also the only one who thinks Heb 7 speaks of Jesus' creation.Have it your way – but know that:1.  You are alone in your beliefs.2.  The rest of us have no trouble seeing th…[Read more]

Mike……..Now you “CAREFULY” notice the word you use as “HE” is really rendered as “THIS” 193 times in the New Testement, 69 times as these, 37times as same 2 times as thus, i time as hereof , 1 time as such, 1 time as which, 1 time as who.but never as a HE , (IT) would be far more appropriate word but the best would be “THIS OR THESE”…[Read more]

ED j………I knew you were getting into problems by agree with what T8 said brother, I believe you meant to say the Word was (IN) Jesus not that Jesus “Preexisted as the Word, before his berth. They drew you into that one brother. IMO.peace and love……………………………………………………………..gene

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Dec. 03 2011,13:51)Gene, “nephesh” isn't in the NT because it is a Hebrew word, not a Greek one.  But there is one Greek word for “spirit” – “pnuema”.  And there is a DIFFERENT Greek word for “soul” – “psuche”.  And there is yet a DIFFERENT Greek word for “body” – “soma”.  In the following scripture, you can see that Paul men…[Read more]