Proclaimer, yes our vile bodies do need to be changed, and will be at the return of Jesus, but remember what else Paul said,  Php 3:14-15…..> “I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling “OF GOD”, “in” , the anointed Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect , be thus minded: and if in any thing you be otherwise minded, “GOD” sh…[Read more]

DT you said……>What then was the point of Jesus’ death? Why did Jesus say he had to die?

What Jesus did was to “demonstrate” to us all, what it takes to have a right relationship with God the Father.

The apostle Paul said the same thing about himself,  1 Co.2;4-5….>“AND my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but…[Read more]

DT…….If Jesus death paid off everyone’s sins. Then why are people still dying, and their bodies corrupting in the grave. Jesus died but his body never saw corruption, he was resurrected before it corrupted in the grave, why?   Because he never sinned and therefore  his body was never destroyed in the grave as our are.

What killed Jesus was a b…[Read more]

DT…..Where did I say Jesus didn’t die for the “porpoise of”,  or “because of” the sins of the world?  What i said was,  Jesus didn’t die, “because of”,  or the “purpose of”  “PAYING OFF”, our  sin “debts” in our place,  we must all repent of our own sins.
Jesus’ life was to “demonstrate” to the whole world how to have our sins forgiven, and h…[Read more]

DT……seeming you don’t do what I ask you to , I do it for you.

the meaning of the word “for”….. Cambridge dictionary ……>

1…..a preposition…..( INTENDED FOR). showing purpose, as in there is a message for, or I’d better buy something for the baby.
2…..a preposition….( PURPOSE) …..having the purpose of,  as in…..> There’s a sign they’re say…[Read more]

Berean…..Mark and Matt…… is not saying Jesus’ life gave anyone eternal life or paid for their sins off for them,  what it is saying  is ,Jesus ” blood i.e  (life) was given and  shed to show us “how”,  to get our sins forgiven,  his life was the “example” of the,  “new Covenant” of God the Father,   at work in mankind.

The whole concept of Je…[Read more]

DT…….Had you did what I ask you to do, you would has seen that the word “for’.  Does take on the meaning of   “Purpose of”.   It never takes on the meaning of,  “in place of”. As in What Jesus did was in place of us, having to do anything.

Jesus said clearly……“whosoever will save his life,  (the way he lives) will lose it, whosoever will…[Read more]

Berean……wrong all must “repent” of their own sins,  before God, and live exactly as Jesus did through Faith and by the power of the Holy Spirit of God the Father.  Jesus did not pay your or anyone else’s sin debt, It cost him his life to “” demonstrate” to us all how to live right with God the Father, but he did not pay off your or anyone el…[Read more]

Danny……Yes Jesus is the “root and offspring of David. And this root and offspring came into his existence when he was born in the flesh on this earth some 2000 years ago.  Jesus did not preexist his birth on this earth,  he was in the Devine plan of God the Father from the foundations of this earth, but never existed till he was born here on ear…[Read more]

DT……Yes let do that, let’s see what Daniel said about the coming of the Messiah. I will let you start seeing you see it differently.

peace and love to you and yours DT……..gene

DT……Propitiation, is appeasing the wrath of God.  Jesus’ life was given “for”,  the “purpose of” , showing us all how to “appease” the warpath of God.

look up the meaning of the word ‘for’ in the Cambridge dictionary and you will find it means for the “purpose of”, but never, “in place of”.

Jesus died for the purpose of “showing or demonstratin…[Read more]

DT…….Your still setting things to your time frame, but not God’s.  Where doe any scripture say all that must happen at the same time period.  I haven’t found any set time period yet have you, if so then show it to us.

But the time of the Messiah’s is set in scriptures, a time when all the Jews knew, as described in the books of Daniel the prophet…[Read more]

DT……The words for and because are. synonymous  if applied in the right “sense”,  let’s see if you are able to understand this?.

“FOR” ….. sin exists in this world, so God sent Jesus,  at the right time, a prophesied person who he “‘predicted through his prophets, to “demonstrate”  to all his human creation what is required to live right with hi…[Read more]

Danny……yes it is speaking of the LORD,  our,  and Jesus’, GOD.

Peace and love to you and your Danny………gene

Danny, AMEN to that post brother.

peace and love to you and yours………gene

Berean…..What you quoted is correct , Jesus did die for all mankind,  because God chose him to  “demonstrate” to all mankind, What is required to live right with God the Father. He  did not  to take our place and pay off our sins. But to “demonstrate”  and show us all what is required of us all to be forgiven our sins by God the Father, and inter…[Read more]

First of all the word “for”. In English  can mean “because”  of. Now let’s get the picture of what that means>. God wanted to show mankind what it takes to live right with him. Jesus demonstrated the “WAY”, to do that. The only way he paid for our sins is in “DEMONSTRATING”.  to us all , what is required to have a true and right relationship wit…[Read more]

DT, you said…….>To say Jesus died “because” of our sins is to call God a liar; it was God who said in Deut 24:16 “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, and children shall not be put to death because of their fathers; each one shall be put to death for his own sin.” If God says the innocent will not be put to death for t…[Read more]

Jodi, you said…….>God brought forth times and seasons to prove to man that we need God’s Spirit dwelling in us, man can do nothing of himself.

That’s absolutely right,  Jesus said,….> the son of man can do, “nothing” of himself, And that it was God who was “in” him doing the works.  This is the exact same thing that must happen to us.  Just as it…[Read more]

Danny you quoted……> 1John.4
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent 👉his only begotten Son👉 into the world, that we might live through him.

Let’s think about that ok,  Who sent his only begotten son, was it the Son who sent himself, or was it God who sent him?   And in what way are we to live through him? ,  by h…[Read more]