Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 24 2013,12:51)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 23 2013,09:11)I can understand how a word can come to be “IN “Flesh but actually be “MADE” Flesh No way……………So what you're saying is that because you personally can't understand 1:14 AS IT WAS WRITTEN, it is okay to ALTER the words of scripture to conform them into a…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 24 2013,10:13)Quote (2besee @ Feb. 23 2013,16:36)Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 24 2013,11:16)You guys keep talking about Gnostics as if it is a cuss word, and claiming that it was they to whom John referred in 1 John 4:2-3.But it is obvious from what Gene said about the Gnostics that they DID believe Jesus “has come in the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 24 2013,07:06)Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 22 2013,13:10)T,Quote Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.I have not looked at the Greek behind these words but this version does noes not support the claim that Jesus was the first created by Jehovah.  “over” gives the contextThe Greek words…[Read more]

2besee………Yes the Gnostioc's believed Jesus was a Ghost who desgusied himself as a Human being, but really was a God who was sent out into the earth from the place of the Gods to straighten out the mess here. This was the First major false teaching that was infecting the Church and John and Paul fought against it and kept it in bay until…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 23 2013,20:45)Quote (2besee @ Feb. 21 2013,18:23)How do you not know that Jesus “coming in the flesh” does not mean as a man who was able to sin, but did not?Well, we know from tons of other scriptures that speak of the pre-existence of Christ.And we can also have a pretty good guess just from the words, “has come in the…[Read more]

Mike………Speaking of what Kerwin was saying, God created everything in existence so his effects are in everything right. We are told the Hidden Attributes of God can be seen by the things created right? So we can say a little of God is in all thing made by him. Man is created in his very IMAGE we are told, So we have more of his attributes in…[Read more]

Mike………. If you believe all three of those thing i wrote, you are no different then a Gnostic, because you have bought into their teachings that corrupted the truth about Jesus. I have tried over and over, over the years to get you people to see that Mike.You believe the “WORD”  who was God became Flesh. I do not believe that at all. I…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 22 2013,11:54)Quote (2besee @ Feb. 22 2013,02:35)Whatever Gnostics is or was, it must have crept in and grew.2beesee,it evolved and adapted.Kerwin……That is right the false teaching of Jesus being a God was introduced into the church by the Gnostic's and was fought against By John an Paul, and it did grow and adapted by…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 22 2013,11:36)T,Quote can a man born of human parents save themselves or anyone else from sin and the curse of dead that lays on all men sins AdamA man that shares our flesh and blood is the only one that can save his brethren from sin.Hebrews 2:14King James Version (KJV)14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh…[Read more]

Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 21 2013,09:04)Mike,Quote 2.  WHO then, IS the antichrist?  WHO is it among men or angels that DON'T believe Jesus of Nazareth existed at all?The standing hypothesis is John is speaking of Gnostics.  It does fit the bill as Gnostics looked at flesh as flawed or worse. There were at least some sects that literally taught Je…[Read more]

Mike……….Paul said  full of goodness, which is also Godliness that goodness was the Spirit of God “IN” them the only source of Goodness is God because he ONLY is GOOD. That is What Jesus meant and it is true and is an Emphatic statement. and Paul was addressing their “Christians” fullness of “KNOWING” another words their ability of Knowing…[Read more]

Mike ……Again you contradict Jesus' very own word recorded in three gospels with your ” emphatic none emphatic garbage trying to twist clear scriptures to meet your own  perceptions. Hear is another one for you to work on, THE HEART IS DECEITFUL above all things, and desperately WICKED who can know it. That is speaking in a general sense,…[Read more]

Quote (2besee @ Feb. 20 2013,16:00)Hi Gene,I hear what you are saying, and agree in part and disagree in part, mostly with 2nd Thes, but that is a different topic.With that scripture that you were looking for, where God said that none was found good: Revelations 5: And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 19 2013,09:36)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 17 2013,09:43) ……if there are no other “TRUE” God;s , then Mike should understand all other so-called Gods are “FALSE” God's .Okay Gene.  We are getting to the place I wanted to take you.  It is a fact of scripture that Jesus is called by the title “god”.  So are you cl…[Read more]

Mike……….I agree with what Jesus said there is “ONLY ONE” that is Good, and that is God . If you consider all life and all Good and Evil comes of ONE SOVERIGN GOD. Good and Evil are created Spirits and GOD is there source. Even the Good that is in us is from God alone and if we agree God is the source of all Good, and it comes from him then…[Read more]

Mike……..I agree with ED J…….Jesus in not those things, He is also not “the EVERLASTING FATHER ” either . If you guys understood that the FATHER was indeed “IN” the MAN Jesus , you then could see how those titles could be directed at him, but referring to the Spirit of GOD in dwelling him.This is the same error you make with the scriptures…[Read more]

2besee……..If we consider Jesus' words alone about God, it becomes evident  there are no other “TRUE” God's,  and if there are no other “TRUE” God;s , then Mike should understand all other so-called Gods are “FALSE” God's . Even the scribes said unto him, Well , Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is “ONE GOD”; and there is “NONE O…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 16 2013,14:38)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 14 2013,21:32) but we do not “now” see man crowned with glory and honor and all things under his feet, Actually Gene, it says:  In putting everything under him, God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present we do not see everything subject to him.God subjected the…[Read more]

Mike……… They are the Gods of (THOSE PEOPLE) but they are “FALSE” Gods, can't you understand that? What is interesting you use big Elohims and Little Elohims as if in scripture that is they way they are translated , But you produce No Scripture that say there a rendering of little elohims or Bid Elohims. You don't even mention God was…[Read more]

Terricca……….So what exactly is your point? You understand and we Don't or What?peace and love to you and yours…………………………………………..gene