Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2013,10:05)Gene,I just can't keep up with all your scriptural beliefs.  How can I explain to you that spirit messengers of God are angels, when you don't even believe spirits are beings at all?And how can I explain to you that Jesus is one of these spirit messengers of God, when you believe Jesus is the only flesh and…[Read more]

T8…..With the imagaination you Preexistences have, you guys could very well could make good “science fiction” movies peace and love to you and yours……………………………gene

Abe………..Good Post brother, is obvious if God Exhulted Jesus to his right Hand after his resurection, he was not there before or the scripture would have said he returned to where he was before. But no scripture says that Jesus “PREEXISTED at the right hand of God before his resurection.peace and love to you and…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2013,11:08)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 21 2013,08:58) was not talking about “all” knowledge in a general sense because not even Jesus had that.Really Gene?John 21:17……..Lord, you know all things………So Jesus didn't LITERALLY know ALL things, even though Peter clearly said he did?  I guess Peter was speaking…[Read more]

Mike…………..Go back to page 170 and answer them all please yes or noPeace and love to you and yours……………………………gene

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2013,10:12)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 25 2013,16:55)Now if Paul would have said Jesus preexisted befor he came to this earth in the form or better put (nature) of God you would have a point.Gene,Could you show us scripturally WHEN EXACTLY Jesus was existing “in the form of God” WHILE he was on the…[Read more]

Quote (t8 @ Feb. 26 2013,09:07)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 26 2013,05:08)Now tell us this was Jesus a “SPIRIT” or a flesh and blood Man, better known as a SON OF (from) MAN. Yes or NO PLeaseA lot of questions here Gene. So I will take the first one only so as to not be biased in which I will answer.Here is your answer.Although he existed in THE…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 26 2013,08:42)Quote (Gene Balthrop @ Feb. 25 2013,09:25)Jesus was God Spokesmen on earth and he could have a “TITLE” as God's Word.If you are saying it is a title i agree a Person can have a title as that.I full well know Jesus was speaking “God's” word to us, i have no problem with that or him receiving a “title” of the…[Read more]

T8………You are neglecting what preexisted time period Paul was talking about. That is your problem in understanding that scripture. Paul was writing to christans about a PreexIsting time alright but that time was not before his berth on this earth, as the complete context explains. Now if Paul would have said Jesus preexisted befor he came to…[Read more]

T8………As you promote those who believe your case right? You say Jesus came form God “O” Well so did King Cyrus who was prophesied by mane to come 200 year before he actually did come, does that also mean He “PREEXISTED”. How can you say one was and the other was not?, John the Baptist and in fact all creation came from God, God sent us all…[Read more]

To All……..> Now let talk about Jesus being the Root of Jesse, this clearly was speaking of his origns comming into existence through Jesse and hence through King David. No Scripture show Jesus was a Preexistent being before His berth on this earth and Jesus never said he preexisted before his berth either. Not so much as One scripture shows…[Read more]

T8…> the terms “did not regard equality with God “, does not mean he was equal with God at all, but instead he did not try to make himself equal with God by grasping the opertunity he had by the power and authourity he had with God . Another word he did not try to “ROB” God of his glory by trying to make himself equal with him, Just becasue he…[Read more]

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 25 2013,13:26)Quote (2besee @ Feb. 24 2013,16:48)When you say that Jesus existed as a powerful angel,Do you know which angel?Yes 2B.  He was the one called “Jesus”, and “the Word of God”, and “the Lamb of God”.  He now has been given a new name that only he and God know, but he still remains an angel of God.Gene needs to r…[Read more]

Mike…….Mike what make you thing I don't know and understand that Jesus was God Spokesmen on earth  and he could have a “TITLE” as God's Word. When you say the word Became Flesh, are you talking about a Title or are your saying the word actually became (as in came to be) Actually Flesh, Which is it man,  it cant be both now can it?  If you ar…[Read more]

T8…….Well at lest you do acknowledge that a Word is not Flesh but Spirit, That is at least a start. Now who else is “Sprit” is not God the Father “SPIRIT”? Yes or NO Please. Now tell us this was Jesus a “SPIRIT” or a flesh and blood Man, better known as a SON OF (from) MAN. Yes or NO PLeaseNow was God who is SPIRIT Dwelling (IN) Jesus as He…[Read more]

ED J……….It means the very elementary or “basic” things that make up teaching ,  like a Elementary Education, we leave that and advance to a higher Level, or when speaking physically it means the elementary or basic elements that make up the earth. The basic “things “of what makes up things, “Elementary” my Friend “Elementary ” peace and…[Read more]

Quote (942767 @ Feb. 24 2013,11:53)Hi:The “YLT” has it this way:Quote Rom 9:3 for I was wishing, I myself, to be anathema from the Christ — for my brethren, my kindred, according to the flesh,   Rom 9:4 who are Israelites, whose the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the lawgiving, and the service, and the promises,   Rom 9:5 w…[Read more]

Mike ……> i also believe Jesus will be a ruler of somekind for ever and it well could be over the house of Jacob, and of course he shall be forever honored and respected. But his greatness to me is, he is my Brother over the house hold of “OUR” God the Father. Also as ED J brought out Jesus does turn over all power and authority of the Kingdom…[Read more]

Kerwin………..Well put brother.peace and love to you and yours………………………………………..gene

Quote (mikeboll64 @ Feb. 24 2013,17:51)[Galatians 4:14 …..you welcomed me as if I were an angel of God, as if I were Christ Jesus himself.The above scripture lists Jesus as an angel of God.  And the fact that the English word “angel” refers to spirit messengers of God, of which Jesus is one, should be enough to suffice.Mike……Can't you see…[Read more]