Kerwin…….My point is if God forknows about a person before he is even born, and predicts his future and the very things he will do, how does that figure in a freewill? To me that means it predetermined, no freewills governing our outcomes, again i am not saying we do not have liberty to excercise our influenced and captivated wills. The…[Read more]

Wakeup…….true words brother, being baptised does not guarentee a person has recieved the HOLY SPIRIT. Many spit out scripture after scripture and have not a clue what they are really saying. Like journey said just ranting on, without true understanding. Accusing others of being untrue when in fact they haven’t a clue what what the truth of…[Read more]

T8……wrong, our future is determind by God the Father, not by our so-called freewill choices. What part of this scripture you fail to understand, ” NO MAN “CAN” COME UNTO ME EXCEPT THE FATHER “DRAW” (Greek DRAG) HIM.”

T8…. YOU rant on, but never answer questions presented, how did God know Jesus would do what he did, or John the baptist, or…[Read more]

Journey42……AMEN to that post, Pierre has done nothing but accuse the brethern sense the very frist time he came here, posting enless scriptures that in most cases has nothing to do with whats being descussed, i don’t understand why he has such of an accusal spirit, he must think he is something special, an God has made him somekind of judge…[Read more]

Kerwin…..If God manipulates things, why would he do that, if he wanted us to freely chose on our own,and more how could he even predict human out comes, like king Cryus, Jeramiah the prophet, John the baptist, Jesus ,how could God foreknow what they would do, if they were to chose on only a freewill basis. God could not forknow a person and what…[Read more]

Kerwin……Simple question, how could God predict any thing ABOUT ANY HUMAN BEING if it is up to that persons WILL THAT IS “FREE”. Can’t you see that there could be no predictible future for anyone ever. Everything would be just a crap shoot, without any determinate results for the future, because at any instant a person could chose to go a…[Read more]

Wakeup……….baptism of the flesh washes or cleans the flesh, baptism of the spirit washes or cleans the spirit. There is a physical baptism and there is a spritual baptism also.

Tit 3:5….” Not by works of rightiousnes which we have done,but according to his mercy he has saved us, by the “WASHING” OF “REGENERATION” and renewing of the HOLY…[Read more]

Wakeup……….baptism of the flesh washes or cleans the flesh, baptism of the spirit washes or cleans the spirit. There is a physical baptism and there is a spritual baptism also.

Tit 3:5….” Not by works of rightiousnes which we have done,but according to his mercy he has saved us, by the “WASHING” OF “REGENERATION” and renewing of the HOLY…[Read more]

Journey…..i agree it is God the Father that gets ALL THE GLORY. YOU HAVE BROUGHT OUT SOMEVERY GOOD POINTS BROTHER. Some good things to think about. IMO

peace and love to you and yours…………..gene

T8…..Again you thinking i am saying we don’t have liberty to express our “INFLUENCED WILL” NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM WHAT I WAS SAYING. I HAVE SAID THAT AROUND A HUNDRED TIMES NOW, WHEN IS THAT GOING TO SINK INTO YOUR HARD HEAD? Tell us what do you do with these scriptures seening you believe a person choses his own salvation by his own…[Read more]

T8…..Again you thinking i am saying we don’t have liberty to express our “INFLUENCED WILL” NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM WHAT I WAS SAYING. I HAVE SAID THAT AROUND A HUNDRED TIMES NOW, WHEN IS THAT GOING TO SINK INTO YOUR HARD HEAD? Tell us what do you do with these scriptures seening you believe a person choses his own salvation by his own…[Read more]

Kerwin…..you are saying the same thing I am, our desires are made upby what is influencing us. All of those influences are the Cause and the will is the effect. Nothing free about it, I believe you do understand this, it is what I have been saying all along. Remember I have said over and over here , I was not talking about our liberty to…[Read more]

T8…….Three pieces of pie , one cherry, one apple, one black berry.

To all, which will T8 chose?, and if he makes a choice, why did he make it, was it because he had a “freewill” or because something in him “Caused” him to make “that” paticular choice? Now if something “caused” him to “will” to make that choice, then how is it he believes his…[Read more]

Kerwin……Please explain what you believe makes up a Will, simple question, what is a will based on? Is Gods WILL a counciled Will or a FREE WILL? Again remember I am not talking about freedom to excercise those will but the wills themselves. Please try to be specific.

peace and love to you and yours………………gene

Kerwin……yes but an additive person is far from being free now is he. He is held in captivity by his addiction. Now if scripture says no one is rightiousness no not even one, how doves that fit in with a will that is free to chose what right or wrong and if all chose what is not right then how are they made right, they must be CREATED unto…[Read more]

Kerwin……yes but an additive do person is far from free now is he. He is held in captivity by his addiction. Noe if scripture says no one is rightiousness no not even one, how doves that fit in with a will that is free to chose what right or wrong and if all chose what is not right then hoe are the made right, they must be CREATED unto…[Read more]

T8…….No, I am saying righteousness is not a matter of choice, it is a matter of CREATIONS, I am SAYING We are “CREATED” UNTO GOOD WORKS, You and Kerwin and others are saying WE CHOSE GOOD WORKS by our “OWN” WILS, that are completely FREE. Now that is the difference , please don’t try to twist what I am saying and then moch me. I have never…[Read more]

T8……And your view is that by mans so-called FREEWILL, man can chose his way into righteousness, so according to you, who need us to be “Created”,”unto good works” and who needs God “to work “IN” us BOTH to “WILL” and do of “HIS good pleasure. We can achieve it all by our own so-called FREEWILLS. Now that is a real “LOL”, if you ask me.

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Kerwin……We did not fall into Satan’s trap by our own free wills, who would want to do that” no we were snared by him, through deception like the whole world is, through lusts of the flesh and lust of the eyes and pride of life, just as Eve was, Satan painted a picture to her that was “good to make one wise” and using her own “captivated” will,…[Read more]

Carmilla…. Nick is right on this, God the Father was truly in him, by the anointing Spirit that abided in him. Think your problem is your not seeing JESUS as a ordinary human being, a man who became the messiahs by the anointing of the Holy Spirit of God, the exact same thing can happen to any man God elects to, and that person can perform the…[Read more]