Anthony……your version of the sacrifice of Jesus, is not what scripture says,  Our scriptures say it was , “God”, who so loved the word that “He” gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not parish “.  

You rendition goes like this,  Jesus who was and is God, came down from heaven and gave his only begotten life for…[Read more]

EDJ……SOMETHING YOU NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT,  here’s another one you should consider also,  “why behold the splinter in your brothers eye and not behold the beam in your own eye. 

Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

Edj…..Remember we are talking about the “will” itself, not about our “freedom” to exercise it.  That’s where you and Proclaimer are constantly  getting trip up. The video you posted should have proven that to you two.

The term “freewill” is an OXYMORON,  there is no “Will”,  in existence that is “itself” free.  The very word “will” implys s…[Read more]

Edj…..produce where I or Jodi ever said jophes Fathered Jesus,  again you show us how little attention span you have.

No,  I am not claiming Jodi’s wrong,  I am claiming you are wrong, got it?  Trying to drive between her understanding and mine is futial at best ,we are guided by the Spirit of truth, and both reconize the truth when we hear it.…[Read more]

Proclaimer….  where does it say Jesus had a Glory “before with God as another being of somekind, that is an assumption on your part, jus certainly had that preordained Glory, even before he ever existed, but he never had it given to him untill he was resurected from the Grave’

You trying to make it as if he was once  alive with that Glory b…[Read more]

Edj…..the word translated “freewill” there is only meaning the person “volintered” to do something,  it is not speaking of what drove him to do it, it is not speaking of what was drivibg the  Will  “itself”  it dosen’t take a genius to understand that, why not go back and watch the video you posted again,  maybe that will help you out .  You r…[Read more]

Edj…..please produce one post where I ever said I believe Joseph was  the one who “fathered” Jesus, would like to see that.

It was God the Father who Fathered Jesus, by taking the DNA of who he wanted Jesus to be and implanting it in His mother Mary.  Jesus in this way was the “second” Adam,  the second “God formed” human man . But none of th…[Read more]

Edj……Got news for you , what makes you think you are even hearing the voice of the true Sheppard,  when you don’t agree with his words, nor the words of the prophets, nor the apostles?  But you do agree with what Satan wants you to believe , that Jesus is a God human being, and therefore is not “truly” a rwal human “exactly” as we are.  You pr…[Read more]

Proclaimer……So why not answer my question as how do you worship Jesus?,  is he a deity to you, or a human being? Who God sent out into the world to preach the kingdom of God. Is he as he said the “root and offspring of King  David”  or was your Jesus lying to us about his origins. Why do you deny his own words, not to mention the word of the…[Read more]

Proclaimer…..I am glad you reconize Jesus is not our God, that’s good, so do I and Jodi,  but you still move him away from his human roots and origins.  Now you say you do worship Jesus,  but not as a God, good,  then what do you worship him as? , would be the question right?

Why not make a list and tell us?  I bow my knee to Jesus “to the “Glo…[Read more]

Proclaimer…….if you hear his voice then why not believe what he says?  You and others deny his words over and over here, by what you say.  You people work tirelessly to try to seperate Jesus from his brothers and sisters, you preach a false “Doctrine of Seperation” , Making out that Jesus “really” is not a “true”  human being,   like the rest…[Read more]

Edj……we believe what Jesus himself said,  it was him who said he was the root and “offspring ” of King David.  Many others in scriptures called him the “son” of David,  me or Jodi are not saying he was not also son of God,  all those given the Spirit of God as an anointing Spirit from God as Jesus was are also Sons of God, exactly as he is. <…[Read more]

Edj……your biggest problem is,  you seem unable to read what is  posted “accurately,”  I said I agree with “a lot”  of what he says scripturelly,  I did not say “all” of what he says, now did  ?,  But then again,  minds not driven by the Holy Spirit of God, work that way, so I have come to expect nothingless from minds not driven by the “spirit…[Read more]

Proclaimer, I have no doubt that Mike will eventually come to see that the earth is round, and change his mind about it, but as far a scripture goes he is proberly one of the sharpest scripturally accurate people we have ever had on here. IMO. I agree with a lot of what he has said,  not everything, but a lot of it.

Peace and love to you and…[Read more]

Edj…….So on the one hand you say “you” “chose” by your “own Will that is “free”   “freewill”, to correct yourself, then out of the other side of your mouth you say we do this with God’s “help”,  so, in what way does God “help us” chose?  Because if our so-called “freewill” is so “important to God, why would he even want to help us in the firs…[Read more]

Proclaimer……Evidently you did not watch the movie Edj posted.  They sure did not seem so sure there exists any so called “freewill”, now we’re they.   You both are ignorant of the truth,  saying God could know the end from the beginning because he is God,is a lame excuse, God know the end from the beginning because he knows what Is driving the…[Read more]

Proclaimer…….. the universe is a result of “caused “,  nothing free about it.

“Freewill” is an illusion no such thing exists, we are “caused” to will, by what is influencing us.  If the love of God is shed  abroad in our hearts, (minds) we are “caused” by the working of that “spirit” to love our neighbors.   “cause and effect”    that is w…[Read more]

Jodi…..Yes that was God the Father intention from the get go, the very start of all this creation, was to bring man into perfection, Jesus was the first of many that shall be perfected on this earth. He is God’s prototype for all mankind.

Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

Proclaimer. …..What Jesus would do,  existed with God, even before he laid the foundations of this earth, that was his plan from the beginning,  but the reality took place when he (Jesus), came into his “only” existence, as a human being “exactly the same way all  humans do ” by a human birth process . That’s what it means by ,  “he was “ma…[Read more]

Edj……Was Jesus a “man” approved of GOD?  or a preexisting  “God man”? , as you  believe, even though scripture says “God is not a man” nor is he a son of man”. 

Was he the “lamb” of God without blemish or spot?   which  you also seem to deny. 

While you have finally come to acknowledge Jesus is not the “word” of God, you still hold on to…[Read more]