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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Preexistence in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years ago

    Edj…..the answer to you question is clearly answered in my last post,   let me answer it again for you ok?,  the answer is YES.,

    Now please answer my 7 questions I gave you , along with the scriptures you might need to answer them.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

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    Proclaimer,  do you even realize this “you are saved by GRACE?  and that NOT OF “YOURSELVES “. ?  

    IT is God that changes us by the RENEW ING OF OUR MINDS, which “CAUSES”  us to do “HIS WILL”.  so it is a matter of “cause and effect”. Nothing to do with a FREE RADICAL, like a “freewill”  which could change any time, a mind that can never be st…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer. ….I see again you failed to read the scriptures I quoted for you,  but just pushed them aside again as if they weren’t even in your bible.  OK then read you last post and see your error,  you say God pours out his spirit, and you, by your own so-called “freewill,” chose to follow him.  But I presented scriptures that says “no” man…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer……And you keep telling us , it’s no God that works in you “both to will” and do of “his” good purpose, but you through your own  “good” will that is “free” , that does it all. Interesting scripture says one thing you another.  Scripture say there is none that is rightious, 

    Rom 3:10-12…..As it is written, there is none right…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 6 years ago

    Edj…..Jodi and I have been saying that Jesus “himself” was not the word of GOD,  FOR YEARS NOW, where have you been?

    Jesus is not the word of God, nor is he the Spirit,  “anointing Spirit”,  of God, that he recieved after he was baptized at the Jordan river.  He is “the Anointed one” who has been given the “anointing Spirit of God”. That is why…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic John 1:1 in the forum Scriptural Teachings 6 years ago

    CARMEL ….Not so much as a single reference to God the Father , in your renditions,  man what a difference between you say  and what Jesus said. Jesus was all about the Father  in everything he did, , not himself, you are all about Jesus , and nothing about the Father of Jesus and Us, nothing about the God of Jesus, and us, nothing  about The Fat…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Preexistence in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years ago

    Edj…..the spirit of Christ (is the anointing Spirit of God)  just that simple , I really don’t know anyone who dosen’t know that except you?

    So The answer to your “yes/no” questions is , “YES” ,  the spirit of Christ ( which is the anointing ) spirit of (from) God , who sends that same Spirit he gave his son Jesus , and,  GIVES IT ALSO, to us.…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Preexistence in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years ago

    Edj…..I realize they are “convoluted ” to you, because your not able to understand the “anointing” spirit that was “in” Jesus is the “seed” sperma  of God, given him when he was “anointed” with it at the Jordan river.  For some reason you mind seems unable to comprehend that. Perhaps this will help you, even if you can’t comprehend what I or J…[Read more]

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    Edj…..Repeat I nor Jodi, ever said that Joseph ever “fathered” Jesus, that is you lying again,  about what we have said, to try to make yourself look right.  I went back and reread that post and not so much as  a single word saying that it was Joseph who “Fathered” Jesus, by me or Jodi.

    If such a thing as a “freewill” did exist you’d be a pe…[Read more]

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    GeneBalthrop replied to the topic Preexistence in the forum Truth or Tradition 6 years ago

    Edj…..the term “spirit of”,  is meant to convey to us that Jesus had that Spirit,  not that he x was that spirit. Please pay close attention at what  this scripture says .  

    Rom 8:11…..but if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead, “dwell” in you, he that raised up Christ (the anointed on) From the dead shall quicken your mortal…[Read more]

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    Jodi…..I wish they would just at least consider what we tell them, but it’s like there is a  blocked wall planted in there minds. IT’S FUSTRATING at times, when they just don’t get it. They can’t see that they are doing ecactly what Satan wants them to do, keep preaching  their “doctrines of Seperation”,  trying desperately to move Jesus awa…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer. ….Mike and Dig4truth, have  a lot of bible understanding about somethings,   they might not be totally right about everything , but neither are you,  so I see no point in rediculing them or anyone else as far as that goes. We all have a lot to learn right?

    Peace and love to you and yours. ………gene

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    Jodi…..your above post is right on.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

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    Carmel…..I really don’t think I have ever seen on here a person so confused as you are,  you don’t seem to even understand very simple straight forward scriptures, I pray that God will help you.

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……….gene

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    Proclaimer…..Why not answer Jodi, even if you ignore my answers, or act like you agree with them, when in fact you are not agreeing, so answer  hers , she has kept it simple for you, that shouldn’t over tax your thinking or mental ability, it’s not an essay but a very short  and simple scripture. So where is all your talk at, simple straight f…[Read more]

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    Carmel. ….So Jesus was lying, the Apostles were lying, the prophets were lying,  but you on the other hand are telling us the “truth”  yea right,   I am sure we believe you over them .   So according to you Jesus had no flesh and blood at all, because he was a God who, only “appeared”, as a human being.  Isn’t that the same  as denying that Jes…[Read more]

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    Edj……Jodi is right,  Jesus did not “preexist” his birth on this earth. He came (into being his “only being” as a flesh and blood human being). 

    Peace and love to you and yours. ……..gene

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    Keras……Good scholarship.   That is true, there Jews are only 1/13 th of the total tribes of Israel, the make up only a very small part of all of Israel.   The “kingdom of Israel”  has nothing to do with the “kingdom of Judah”   the Kingdom of  Judah,  consisted of three tribes of Isreal, the Tribes of Benjamin,  Levi, and Judah.  The “kingd…[Read more]

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    Jodi…..yes I agree with what you are saying, Jesus was indeed the offspring of Kind David, that is as clearly stated in scripture by Jesus himself, that also shows his DNA origins, rather God took the DNA of King David and applies it to Mary or he derived it from Mary herself, or both, Jesus certainly came from the Loins of David, just as…[Read more]

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    Proclaimer…..Free choice , has nothing g to do with it, a person will always chose what is “influencing” him the most, his choice will alays be what his past experiences has convinced him of. There exists no such thing as a “free choice”,  nor a “Freewill”, either.  All choices and wills are driven by influences  and therefore “caused”. If wh…[Read more]

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