Better yet here a an entire thread dedicated to it…

Trinity and non-Trinity

Here T8,

If you want to read about my view, here is the thread for you

Hi T8,

Read the second post to see what I believe.

Edj

Where you have seen one verse

that say that it is By crucifixion THE LORD MADE THE WORLDS ?

I AM WAITING 👤. ….

Hi Berean,

“the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world” (Rev 13:8)

“Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born,
and for this cause came I into the world” (John 18:37)

“Now is my soul t…[Read more]

Hi Mike,

I’m glad to see you’re back posting again!

What ever happened to Pierre?

And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
EPHESIANS 3

Hi Beerean,

Yes, by Jesus’ crucifixion – no by Jesus creating or helping in crfeation

Carmel better look again at what John 19:30 says…

It says: “It is FINISHED” not ‘it is consummated’ ???

Hi Mike,

Berean: In the meantime, you hide the fact that Christ is the creative agent of the Father and that through Him all things were created.

I guess “creative agent” works for me, although none of us actually know for sure what it means that God created all things through Jesus. But we do indeed know that God created all thi…

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Hi Edj

But for us there is only one God, the Father, of whom all things are, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. 1 Corinthians 8:6

When we are puzzled over certain Old Testament texts
(not you apparently on this topic) I was
well I trust the New Testament.

Hi Berean,

If you see in the context…[Read more]

Me:

Excuse me but reading your last post, I see that for you, God didn’t create anything…
through Christ (heaven and earth…etc)
The work of the cross is not to be confused with the work of God’s creation through Christ although the work of the cross is equally important.

Hi Berean,

1) Look carefully at the following…

24 “I the LORD th…[Read more]

For you, Edj
(1) What’s “divinity”?
or rather (2) who?

Hi Berean,

noun
noun: divinity

1.
the state or quality of being divine.

2. God and God’s Son

no. You’re not telling the truth You deny the divinity of Jesus like Gene, Edj… Jodi …

NO Berean,

I’m not denying Jesus divinity – Jesus is the son of God.
Bearing false witness against someone is a sin (you know).

____________
God bless
Ed J

Berean, Jesus has exactly however much power his and our God has given him. None of the scriptures you listed say Jesus created anything. In fact, the only scripture referring to Jesus creating something is the one where he “fashioned” a whip out of cords.

That’s right Mike,

Berean must believe that *Isaiah 44:24* is somehow wrong ???

“I the…[Read more]

Hi Berean,

Context! You can see is was by Jesus crucifixion that God Created all things – not by Jesus helping create as your imagination tells you

“And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, …………….. “slain from the foundation of the world” (Rev 13:8)
by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say,…[Read more]

Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
(Heb 1:2)

Hi Berean,

He (God) made the worlds by Jesus’ crucifixion.

“the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
If any man have an ear, let him hear.” (Rev 13:8-9)

“Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,
so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Heb 11:3)

“so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear” – what does this imply?

Answer: Jesus appeared – therefore things could not have come from him

Conclusion – Jesus…[Read more]

Hi Everyone,

“The Word” is God’s Holy Spirit

the false prophet of Revelation 13 WILL SPEAK LIKE A DRAGON For the whole world to worship the beast(1nd)

Hi Berean,

Yes the two horns are ‘sunni and shiite’ – he claims to speak for God, but want’s
to slay Christians and Jews. And ‘World Conquest’ is worshiping the first beast.

pretty simple in retrospect.
Nobody seen it coming but God

Almost the whole world BOWS DOWN TO THE INTERNET!

Hi Miia,

Are you bowing down to the telephone too when you make a call?

Is ‘worship’ of the image of the beast in Revelation symbolic?

No

the beast is islam, nothing symbolic about islam