Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 2 months ago
Jesus is a legal heir to the dynasty, Jesus is a biological heir of David.
Both are true.
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 2 months ago
Thanks for the detailed reply. Let’s slow the discussion down and keep it text‑based. You’re arguing that the passages in Samuel and Chronicles prove the Messiah must come *biologically* through Solomon and cannot come through any other son of David. I’m going to show, from the Tanakh itself, why that conclusion goes beyond what th…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 2 months ago
@DesireTruth
Thanks for the detailed reply. Let me respond to your points using the Tanakh itself, since that’s the standard you’re asking for.1. “Messiah must come through Solomon, not Nathan.”
The Tanakh never states that requirement. The promises to David in 2 Samuel 7 and 1 Chronicles 22 establish a dynasty, not a single-branch require…[Read more]Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 2 months ago
Jesus is biologically the seed of David through Mary whose father provides the tribal lineage.
You asked:
What is the Messiah to do when he comes and can you prove using the Tanakh the Jesus fulfilled what the true Messiah was to do when he came?
According to the Tanakh, the Messiah must be a Davidic king born in Bethlehem, a…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Noah Curses Ham in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 2 months ago
Specifically what “thought” do you want addressed?
Lightenup replied to the topic Noah Curses Ham in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 2 months ago
The info at your link gives 6 opinions, none of them are 100 % sure. I believe that Noah gave a curse that has caused every reader to think there must be something the text is not telling us. However, I am just going with the text. Noah got drunk, Ham saw him uncovered in his tent, the brothers covered their father up. Noah woke up…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Noah Curses Ham in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 2 months, 1 week ago
From my research, it is not uncommon for the wife to have her own tent. A wife needs a lot of closet space after all, haha. Anyway, I tend to lean towards the obvious, Noah was drunk and embarrassed and said the wrong thing. Many families are broken apart from careless words. The tongue is a dangerous part of the body.
Proverbs…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic Noah Curses Ham in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 2 months, 1 week ago
Good question, everyone that I have listened to from YouTube has asked a similar question as you, “what did Ham do…” That seems to be a common question because that curse on Ham’s descendants through Canaan seems pretty over the top.
The thoughts I have are these: perhaps Ham didn’t do anything wrong; maybe Noah had a lapse in…[Read more]
Proclaimer replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 3 months, 3 weeks ago
If Jesus was a Jew, what house would you place him?
Proclaimer replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 3 months, 3 weeks ago
Unfortunately the Jesus fails on being a member of the tribe of Judah; biologically he isn’t connected to the line of David because the spirit is the one who fathered him (Luke 1:26-35, Matt 1:18). It is of the seed of David the Messiah is to be born of (2 Sam 7:12-17, I Chron 11-14). Lineage is associated with the father and not t…
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months ago
1 Chronicles 22:9-10
9‘Behold, a son will be born to you, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies on every side; for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quiet to Israel in his days. 10‘He shall build a house for My name, and he shall be My son and I will be his father; and I will…
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months ago
In Jewish tradition, naming a child was closely tied to the father’s legal role, and biblical examples show that the act of naming was considered a paternal responsibility that established lineage and identity. Joseph named Jesus. Jesus is Joseph’s legal son and therefore Solomon’s lineage in the legal sense. Mary brings the b…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 1 week ago
If, as you claim, Jesus is a demi-god, half god/half human then, according to your idea, the human side of him would be biologically related to David. Therefore Jesus is a biological descendant of David’s own body even if Jesus was considered a demi-god which I do not agree with. And, being a descendant of David’s own body, he would…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 1 week ago
To say that Mary’s Son isn’t a biological descendant of David because He didn’t have a biological father isn’t reasonable. The child was to be the seed of the woman and from a virgin.
LU
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 1 week ago
Hi, I’ve been busy and will be busy for a couple of weeks for the holidays. I just have time for a couple of comments. I believe that the translation of NASB1995 is the most accurate and is what I use. I also believe that Isa 9:6 should be translated as in the NASB1995:
Isa 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 3 weeks ago
Lost last two posts are screen shots that I took of AI answers to my questions. I am having trouble posting here, an error message keeps popping up and I have to do a work around and send through my email and them post a picture here via my phone. Keep in mind that the last post of mine does not reflect the NSB1995 version and I…[Read more]
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 3 weeks ago
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 3 weeks ago
Regarding Jesus’ qualifications for the eternal throne:
Jewish Messianic Criteria
Must be a descendant of David through Solomon (based on 2 Samuel 7 and 1 Chronicles 22).
Must be biologically descended from David, not just legally adopted.Christian Resolution
Matthew’s genealogy affirms Jesus’ legal right to David’s throne throu…Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 3 weeks ago
Messianic Jews can be ethnically Jewish. Jews who have accepted the complex unity of the Godhead which includes Jesus.
Regarding Genesis 1:26 Read this about who God is talking to:
Messianic Jews typically interpret Genesis 1:26 (“Let us make man in our image”) as a reference to the plurality within God’s nature—often understood a…
Lightenup replied to the topic One God and One Lord in the forum Bible Texts & Translations 7 months, 3 weeks ago
You never know when your own critical thought is going to bite you in the backside, do ya?
You said:
“When are people going to verify what they have been told is truth and stop smashing the “I Believe Button”?”
It seems that what appears to be in present tense, or past tense, can have special nuances. See here:
Isaiah 9:6 is a fas…[Read more]
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