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    @Keith,

    WHEN does it change, at the word “cherub”?!?!? Then does it shift back to the king of Tyre? Who is the “you” in this entire passage referring? What your saying doesn’t make sense; either it’s all about Satan or it’s all about the king, it CANNOT be both! Since it begins with addressing the king of Tyre, IT HAS TO BE TO THE KING OF TYRE…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    When it states–you were in Eden–ALL know 100% the king of Tyre was not in Eden, but its talking about the anointed Cherub=satan.–verse 14 says its the anointed Cherub=in Eden=the fallen angel.

    I never stated or implied the king was in Eden; in fact I said he wasn’t, couldn’t have been.  But that’s not even the question or a point of conten…[Read more]

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    @Proclaimer,

    I didn’t ask if Satan was the “god” of this world, I asked who the “ruler” of this world is. This distinction makes a huge difference in understanding. I won’t argue against christians MAKING Satan a “god” by applying and projecting all evil onto him, making him the patsy for every evil inclination and sinful act of mankind, and fo…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    Can’t really asked someone who’s dead; but the ones I quoted are ones used to educate other pastors…soooo.

    You still haven’t given me any names of those who support your thesis Ezekiel was speaking of Satan. You still haven’t identified the “you” in the passage. You still haven’t explained why you believe it’s a reference to Satan, oth…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    What have you explained? You said according to scholars Satan is to be understood in Ezk 28:13; except, I posted the writings of some prominent christian scholars who state the prophecy is about the king of Tyre. I asked who these scholars claiming the passage is a reference to Satan and you gave nothing, provide the proof of your…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    Continuing to repeat the same verse without explanation doesn’t explain why you believe the passage is a reference to Satan. You stated “scholars” also say this passage is a reference to Satan, please provide the names of said “scholars”; I would like to read their words.

    The following are commentaries of notable scholars of yesteryea…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    What faith do you identify with and please don’t say none, because we all know that isn’t true. If you don’t have a faith you identify with, it means you created a new one and what do you call it?

     

    You are adamant the passage in Ezekiel is a reference to Satan, please explain why you are dead set on it being Satan and not the king…[Read more]

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    @Berean,

    Your latest post from Roman on the “Back to Church Sunday” shows the man is completely out of touch with reality and has done little to no research on the condition of the modern church today. The reality is churches are desperate for people to fill their pews as the number of attenders has fallen dramatically. According to a Pew stu…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    I know what the Matthew passages says, one is to worship G-d and G-d alone and there is zero argument from me on that statement. The question is who do christians worship, because it isn’t G-d alone. Pick a flavor of christianity and worship is primarily of the Jesus and G-d is secondary, which was my point. If we’re being honest, c…[Read more]

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    @Berean,

    Where does your hate of the Catholic church come from; is it personal views or religious brainwashing? If it wasn’t for the Catholic church you wouldn’t have the faith you have today since all “christian” faith stem from it. Maybe you need to re-read your organizations “Official Statements” concerning Catholicism…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    I know the writer of the book of Matthew says about the Jesus; the question is, who do christians serve since one can’t serve two masters? Is it G-d or the Jesus?

    If you need proof satan is a fallen angel– you do not know God or his truth. The fallen anointed cherub as Ezekial is describing-0 doubt.

    You still haven’t provided ANY p…[Read more]

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    Can one serve two masters?
    Light verses Darkness, Truth verses Lies…

    As part of the “Sermon on the Mount” the Jesus states “No one is able to serve two masters. For either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other.” (Matt 6:24). The truth is that statement is irrefutable; one can’t serve in th…[Read more]

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    @Kieth,

    You do understand G-d is speaking in this passage…right? And G-d is speaking metaphorically; OBVIOUSLY the king of Tyre wasn’t present in Eden, which then confirms you DIDN’T delve into this section of Ezekiel and are parroting what you have been told to believe. When will you, or anyone for that matter, begin to verify what you have…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    Does reading and comprehension fail you?!?! I couldn’t give a rip what a “scholar” says or thinks; G-d gave me a brain to think for myself and beginning in verse 12 it explicitly states Ezekiel is to give this prophecy to the king of Tyre. If you where to bother delving into this passage you would find G-d is speaking to this king in a…[Read more]

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    @Kieth,

    Satan is the fallen anointed cherub-Ezekial 28:14-18– He had appointed dominion over Eden, its why he was there.

    Ahhhhh, you may want to open your bible to Ezk 28 and begin reading from verse 12 verses parachuting into verse 14, because you have missed who G-d was talking about. Let me help you: “Son of man,raise a lament over the king of…[Read more]

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    @Kieth,

    Please provide scriptural proof Satan is the ruler of this world or a “fallen” angel using the Tanakh (aka OT). Please explain Isa 45:7 “I form light and I create darkness; I make peace and I create evil; I am Yahweh; I do all these things.” G-d’s speaking here and says HE created evil and in the explanation include how Satan factors i…[Read more]

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    @Keith,

    Please read what I wrote to Proclaimer.

    Satan isn’t a “god” in or of this world, he is an angel of God’s and being so can only do what G-d commands or allows him to do. His name means adversary. Is it possible the angel Satan, this adversary, is only doing what G-d has commanded him; presenting temptations to mankind so mankind will make…[Read more]

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    @proclaimer

    What was your point? I was saying Satan isn’t the ruler of this world, G-d is. Who do you say the ruler of this world is? Are you saying the created have power over the creator?

    Isa 45:7 “I form light and I create darkness; I make peace and I create evil; I am Yahweh; I do all these things.”

    In this passage G-d is the one who is spe…[Read more]

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    @Kieth,

    Since you believe Satan is the “ruler of this world”, you’re going to have to explain the following passages.

    Isa 40:21-31 (excerpt vs. 22) “God is the one who rules the whole earth, and we that live here are merely insects.” Who “rules this world”?

    Dan 4:32 Nebuchadnezzar is told he is going to graze like an animal until he acknowledge…[Read more]

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    @Berean,

    This latest article you posted never explains why Jonathon Berry is a bad nomination; just he is “Mr. Sunday.” Explain why the only one who call Berry “Mr. Sunday” are the Adventists. It would seem the Adventist organization created this nickname for him and are falsely disparaging the man, how sad and what a fine example of loving…[Read more]

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